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himata4113 8 hours ago

Still wishing for the day apple is split into the hardware and the software company. I want their silicon, but I will never use their (arguably terrible) operating system. If I can't run my own kernel and kernel modules then it's a device that I don't own. Firmware is alright in some cases, but my laptop next to me is running core boot just to prove a point.

t-sauer 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But you can run your own kernel on Macs, no? Isn‘t driver support the issue?

vbezhenar 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe Apple Hardware would write Linux drivers to sell their hardware for servers. Intel contributes to Linux kernel. AMD contributes to Linux kernel. Nvidia contributes to Linux kernel. A lot of hardware manufacturers support Linux to some extent. It's no longer reverse-engineered wild west.

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himata4113 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not on new silicon and asahi linux is still pretty damn far from being able to use it seriously. I do appreciate the effort, but I am just saying that it would be a lot better if you know, apple sold the hardware so vendors could build laptops with apple silicon.

mikestew 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

(arguably terrible) operating system

macOS has made some arguably poor design choices, but it makes it hard to take someone seriously when they state the whole OS is terrible.

seemaze 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's the worst OS we have.. except for all the others.

himata4113 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It could be just me, but every time I tried to do something I sat thinking that I am not the target audience for this thing. I don't like the UI, I hate not being able to talk to the hardware the way I can on linux (uart took me way too long to get working), I am angry that I am not able to run kvm, I hate not being able to replace the desktop and fix bugs myself. That's what makes it terrible for me.

mikestew 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fair enough, thanks for clarifying your distaste for macOS. Sounds like any closed source OS just isn’t for you. :-)

commandersaki 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So you're upset an operating system that is called macOS is not in fact Linux. Gotcha.

himata4113 3 hours ago | parent [-]

pretty much, it's unix and I want it to be unix, but I get the worst parts of linux and windows combined.

sonofhans 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I see you. These folks trying to talk you into liking MacOS are missing the point. You’re being perfectly clear about not liking it, and why — it’s not built for you. And that sucks, ‘cause their hardware is top-notch. It’s true pain.

Apple really is leaving everyone else years behind in making hardware. Yet they’ve never done what I would consider obvious geek-friendly things to MacOS. I’m sad about it too, and I wish the OS were better.

TheSkyHasEyes 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

MacOS IMHO is no longer a viable OS for people like us(who know what this website even is). MacOS26 along with Windows11 are enshittifying and in some ways it's glorious to see. I do feel bad for non-IT people though, Linux is daunting to them...I get it.

bigyabai 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's a reason macOS is the least-used OS behind Linux and Windows. If it was any less terrible, we would know.

x3ro 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Source? [1] states 12% for macOS and 3% for Linux.

[1]: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

hedora 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Steam reports 3.4% for linux and 2% for macos (last montg. This month numbers are probably hit by systematic measurement errors).

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

Also, the 16% “unknown” in the graph you linked to implies huge error bars on macos vs linux!

bakugo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Steam stats aren't particularly meaningful in this context, because MacOS is largely unusable for gaming due to not being able to run most games.

Valve themselves have given up on supporting their games on Mac, likely due to the total lack of backwards compatibility.

seabrookmx 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's desktop market share. I'm sure the comment you're replying to means overall usage including mobile and server, where Linux is far and away the leader.

commandersaki an hour ago | parent [-]

Why would anyone compare market share of a desktop OS and include server / mobile / embedded?

whalesalad 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

macOS is not perfect but I don't think anyone could seriously argue that it is terrible.

hedora 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s pretty bad. IPC doesn’t work reliably any more. The window manager is unusable. Spotlight misses results and also pegs the cpu, killing battery.

Finder is bad enough on its own, but the 1:N mapping from logical directories to filesystem directories (like photos, home, applications, etc) makes it essentially unusable without spotlight.

Notifications are flaky as hell (missing phone calls and messages from contacts, but displaying explicitly blocked spam sms).

Copy paste between devices has never worked right.

Which part of the OS is not terrible in your experience?

Edit: also, compatibility with video games (even ones released for macos) is abysmal. It’s much worse than Linux’s ability to run the Windows version of MacOS native releases!

commandersaki an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Which part of the OS is not terrible in your experience?

Not OP, but accessibility tools on mac put other desktop OSes to shame.

theshrike79 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Edit: also, compatibility with video games (even ones released for macos) is abysmal. It’s much worse than Linux’s ability to run the Windows version of MacOS native releases!

Linux can run Windows native games because Valve has shoved millions and millions into perfecting Proton.

And I still wonder why Apple hasn't just dumped a billion on Valve's door to build a similar tool for macOS.

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