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notepad0x90 8 hours ago

Is there anyone who isn't super rich who feels safe in america anymore?

Is it the same in other countries, can cops just raid you for no reason, or abduct people (ICE) and that's not the biggest story in the country?

qup 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Arrests aren't abductions. You can't change the words and suddenly make criminals into victims.

amanaplanacanal 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If they have a warrant maybe. If they don't, abduction seems right.

In addition, you're not a criminal until you are convicted.

john_strinlai 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ice has literally abducted citizens with no criminal record. those people are victims.

qup 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Law enforcement can arrest people or detain people.

You're subbing in "abduct" for one of those words.

schwartzworld 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you don't have probable cause and you don't have a warrant, it's not an arrest and you aren't law enforcement. You're subbing in some words yourself.

john_strinlai 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

abduct: to seize and take away (a person) by force

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abduct

sounds like what happened to me.

qup 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Law enforcement arrests people every day. It's their primary job.

You're not confused about the term. We all know the difference.

john_strinlai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

correct, i am not confused about the term "abducted", and i stand by what i said.

lostmsu an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In most cases police or ICE does not take away people by force, but by the threat of legal authority.

OK, I am not certain about police and "most", but rather certain about ICE and "most".