| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago |
| If the product did what it was advertised to do, they could simply build their own ecosystem for producing software and train the model to use it. |
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| ▲ | siva7 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Or, they could use a battle-proven existing solution because they can. |
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| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Because they can", after spending a bunch of money to acquire an existing solution. I suppose when it's other people's money, there's no problem with burning it by the fistful. Apparently, "because they can" does not extend to building solutions with their own product. | | |
| ▲ | UqWBcuFx6NV4r 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They should just halt development immediately and build their own operating system from scratch! You realise that there’s certainly at least one Astral dev that uses Copilot or Claude Code or whatever, right? You’re so anti-AI that you’re making nonsensical arguments. The existence of AI doesn’t mean that human effort and skill and care is worth nothing. OpenAI has never argued that. Nothing is incongruent here except for the completely fictionalised worldview you’ve conjured up and attributed to…a company? |
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| ▲ | wiseowise 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And then what? History is laden with technically superior software that lost to popular one. They can create uw tomorrow, but who will use it when everyone uses uv and its good enough for them? |
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| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The "then what" is that their model uses it. Technically superior software loses to popular software on marketing. But LLM owners have the ultimate marketing tool, because they can make their model use the tool. Anyone who asks how to do X in Python gets recommended "OpenAI-Python-Tool-For-X". Anyone who asks Codex to do X, Codex automatically installs "OpenAI-Tool-For-X". It would be very easy for them to launch even technically inferior software into a prime position. On top of that, if software developers are being replaced altogether as we are bashed in the head with such tales again and again, the marketing of dev tools wouldn't even matter, only what models are trained to use. | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | This comment section is the evidence that your strategy won’t work. Why fight against community if you can buy it? Or you seriously think this is some ideological war where they need to prove that their offering is so good by reinventing all of software? Why won’t you stretch it further? They should’ve written their browser, their OS and their mobile phones instead of offering ChaGPT on existing ones. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > where they need to prove that their offering is so good by reinventing all of software? They could start by inventing any software with their agents. They probably should prove their offering is good enough to do that considering they're hundreds of billions of dollars in debt, owing truckloads of money they currently have no hope of repaying to investors who are being promised a literal revolution. | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why would they diffuse their attention when competition is not sleeping? | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Their attention apears to already be quite diffuse if buying a python package manager is an item anywhere on their agenda. Also, once again, if the tool did what it was promised -- it wouldn't even be a diffusion of attention. The entire schtick is that software engineers are being replaced and that you can just run a model to create the product for you. Unless, of course, the thing does not do what is promised. | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Their attention apears to already be quite diffuse if buying a python package manager is an item anywhere on their agenda. According to the blog [0], their whole monorepo is in Python, their models are obviously trained using Python, their experiments are written using Python and core and CLI of their Codex is written using Rust. Uv brings both Python and Rust expertise. You’re talking nonsense because of your blind hate of LLMs. Even though I agree that they’re capitalizing on the fear of SWE being redundant. 0 - https://calv.info/openai-reflections | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Blind hate of LLMs? I don't hate LLMs, in fact I do contract work off-and-on for a bootstrapped startup in the field (which is profitable on its own merits, imagine that!). What I hate is blind sycophancy, that Sam Altman is a huckster who is in the process of defrauding investors of what will probably be over a trillion dollars when all is said and done, and the corresponding completely batshit environment he's created with this bubble of his. I can't even get through reading the vomit-inducing blog you linked. "It's entirely possible that the quality of the work will draw me back. It's hard to imagine building anything as impactful as AGI, and LLMs are easily the technological innovation of the decade". Ugh. Obviously, buying skilled Rust devs makes sense for any normal software company that develops in Rust. I wouldn't be making a point out of it if the headline were "Amazon buys Rust developers". Or if OpenAI were honest about what their product is. |
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