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cyberax 3 hours ago

If I were the EU, I'd send a covert ops team to assassinate Putin. Then start talking with his successor and re-establish the Nord Stream deliveries.

WJW 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You could do this whole plan without needing to do the assassination part, as long as you are willing to throw Ukraine under the bus. Conversely, even if the assassination scheme goes exactly as planned, there is no way of guaranteeing that the new Russian leader would be willing to restart gas deliveries until the war in Ukraine has wrapped up. Given that especially the eastern EU countries have absolutely no intention of allowing Ukraine to lose, this seems like a very tall order.

Finally, both Nordstream 1 AND Nordstream 2 still have a gaping holes in them from the bombings so restarting deliveries will probably take several years at least.

All in all, this plan gets only a 2 out of 10 for being impractical, too slow AND depending on factors outside our control. 1 point because it does at least sound spy-ish and proactive.

Theodores 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The problem for Europe is that they have nothing to trade with Russia. They can get better prices elsewhere.

Before 2022 we had the big EU auto companies in Russia, we also had nice handbags, shoes and outfits to sell to Russia. Plus we could have them hide their money in London property. Machine tools were also a brisk trade.

Nowadays Russia needs nothing from Europe. Nothing apart from peace and their 300 billion back. But we have gone past that stage. The Russians have never broken any energy contracts in this, the West has cut themselves off.

Regarding the EU not wanting the former Ukraine to lose, there is a difference between what the officials want and what the people want. From Finland to Portugal I am sure most people would want no war and cheap energy, however, their 'leaders' are just doing what Washington tells them to do.

bluGill 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Huh? Even in the US the majority are sympathetic to Ukraine in every survey. Sure we all want no war - but we are not really in favor of no war at any price.

cyberax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> You could do this whole plan without needing to do the assassination part

Not really. Putin will not deal with Europe honestly.

mlsu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That could work really well, or it could fail in a humiliating public way and totally confirm+legitimize that regime's paranoia. Huge downsides.

DanTheManPR 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The West is getting very cavalier about murdering the government officials of other countries.

lazzurs 2 hours ago | parent [-]

A window in Russia is likely far more deadly than any of the western security services.

OgsyedIE 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wouldn't they reciprocate the tactic instead?

reillyse 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A terrible idea, you think the Russians are going to appreciate you killing their leader?

A better idea is to try to get Russia to join the EU and use an open market to exert control over the more extreme behaviors and tendencies in Russia. A lot of Russian behavior is based on paranoia (completely justifiable paranoia when you see the way the US is behaving) so perhaps having them in the European fold will chill them out a bit - obviously this is far fetched but it's at least a way to fix this long term.

cyberax an hour ago | parent [-]

> A terrible idea, you think the Russians are going to appreciate you killing their leader?

As a Russian? Absolutely yes.

We had a dry run 3 years ago, during Prigozhin's mutiny. He was advancing towards Moscow at freeway speeds, and the population was happily taking pictures. Nobody was organizing barricades, protests, or pro-government rallies.

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badpun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Putin is not a mad dictator ruling against everyone’s wishes. He’s a leader of a large establishment elite which shares his views and gets very rich. If you replace Putin, most likely outcome is his replacement will not be very different (and probably worse, since the country will be even more anti-Western after the assassination)

joezydeco 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Except, like Trump, they get more stupid as you go.

jjgreen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There must limits to stupidity, mustn't there?

joezydeco an hour ago | parent [-]

One would think. I don't think we've hit the limit yet.

cyberax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope. Putin _is_ a mad dictator completely disconnected from the realities of Russia. Just like Maduro in Venezuela. So if he's killed, nobody is going to be bothered by this except a few dozen of his closest allies.

Putin's regime is purely authoritarian ("information autocracy") it has _no_ ideology. Moreover, the government in Russia does everything it can to keep the population passive.

And before you ask, Iran was different because it's _not_ an authoritarian country. It's a full-blown totalitarian theocracy with an official ideology and the elites there actually _believe_ in their doctrine. They have a core of people who will die rather than betray it. And most importantly, they have actual institutions that can survive the death of individuals.

mkoubaa 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Real life isn't a James Bond movie. The next guy in line is more belligerent than Putin

CamperBob2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Then kill him too.

Eventually nobody will want the job.

jkestner 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't feel like that's working out so great in Iran.

CamperBob2 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

We'll see, I guess. Early days.

mkoubaa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That goes for both parties involved in the assassination game, and I'm pretty sure the Russians won't tap out first

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pphysch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These "decapitation" strikes can't be much more than narcissistic projection. Trump and Netanyahu are "unilateralists" (de facto dictators) and narcissists, and think everyone else must be as well, ergo decapitation strikes must be successful.

It may have been true in the case of Maduro, but the jury is out (we also "decapitated" Hugo Chavez in the early 2000s but he came roaring back).

It is emphatically not true in the case of Iran, Russia, China, DPRK or any state that has been truly sovereign for a couple generations. These states have deep political power structures that don't rely on the whims of one individual.

skeeter2020 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It really feels like we need to re-read or Orwell to understand how these countries operate. Trump believes the narrative you spelled out above because it's simple and reinforces his personal view, but it's just not true of these long-lived autocratic states. You may see power concentrated in a single individual but the entire system behaves the same way. "Kill the body and the head will die" takes a lot more work & discipline then lopping off a few necks of the hydra and hoping they don't multiply.

thenthenthen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This^, also quite bizarre to read all the blood thirsty comments above… what is this, 4chan?

_trampeltier 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I I where the EU, I would send ops teams to assassinate Bibi.

M3L0NM4N 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That would be on-brand for European leadership. It's a good thing European countries aren't shutting down nuclear power plants and increasing dependence on Russian oil and gas...