bmurphy1976 3 hours ago

How is this different than Amazon? Same problem there. Oh, you're using this new service? Need to view the logs? Want a nice friendly UI to do that? Fuck you here's Cloudwatch. Good luck.

Just to be clear, I'm responding to the parent comment not the article.

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klooney 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I love https://github.com/lucagrulla/cw , it's like tail for cloudwatch. It's super fast.

	▲	bmurphy1976 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's great but that's not really the problem. The real problem is Amazon likes to release services that depend on other services, but leave the integration work to us. I'm convinced Amazon has many teams crapping out new features but they don't have the political clout (or manpower) to create a comprehensive product. They are mandated by management to use existing services, and thus we the users suffer because we have to manage all this extra crap and noise just to enable basic functionality. It's maddening. And then also it's maddening to see another service from a different team that was able to throw off these shackles and actually make a product that is self contained. You get a taste of how good things could be, and then you're thrown right back into the IAM/SQS/Cloudwatch/Cloudformation/Policy/everything else under the sun soup.

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debarshri 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Amazon is selling servers and storage. If you need to see logs properly, then get a right tool for it. Cloudwatch is a stop gap solution.

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bmurphy1976 2 hours ago | parent [-]

See my other comment. Logs are just one small symptom of a larger problem of poorly integrated very complex services where the complexity is pushed onto the users and not properly managed by Amazon. Which sounds very much like the problems with Azure.

	▲	lokar 43 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		My general approach is to only use the most basic services from each cloud. VMs, networks, L3 load balancers, blob storage, etc Build the rest yourself. In many cases their higher level service is just the same open source package you would run, just managed worse.