| ▲ | thih9 3 hours ago |
| About: "I wonder if other species would look at our images or listen to our sounds and register with horror all the gaping holes everywhere.", yes. In particular, dogs: > While people have an image frame rate of around 15-20 images per second to make moving pictures appear seamless, canine vision means that dogs need a frame rate of about 70 images per second to perceive a moving image clearly. > This means that for most of television’s existence – when they are powered by catheode ray tubes – dogs couldn’t recognize themselves reliably on a TV screen, meaning your pups mostly missed out on Wishbone, Eddie from Fraisier and Full House’s Comet. > With new HDTVs, however, it’s possible that they can recognize other dogs onscreen. Source: https://dogoday.com/2018/08/30/dog-vision-can-allow-recogniz... |
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| ▲ | ulfw 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| What does frame rate have to do with being able to recognise a creature? If I watch a video in 10fps it looks shite but I still recognise everything on screen |
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| ▲ | drysart 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's about being able to perceive it as a "living" moving creature and not something different. You can understand something below the perception threshold is supposed to be a creature because you both have a far more advanced brain and you've been exposed to such things your entire life so there's a learned component; but your dog may simply not be capable of making the leap in comprehending that something it doesn't see as living/moving is supposed to be representative of a creature at all. I've personally seen something adjacent to this in action, as I had a dog over the period of time where I transitioned from lower framerate displays to higher framerate displays. The dog was never all that interested in the lower framerate displays, but the higher framerate displays would clearly capture his attention to the point he'd start barking at it when there were dogs on screen. This is also pretty evident in simple popular culture. The myth that "dogs can't see 2D" where 2D was a standin for movies and often television was pervasive decades ago. So much so that (as an example) in the movie Turner and Hooch from 1989, Tom Hanks offhandedly makes a remark about how the dog isn't enjoying a movie because "dogs can't see 2D" and no further elaboration on it is needed or given; whereas today it's far more common to see content where dogs react to something being shown on a screen, and if you're under, say, 30 or so, you may not have ever even heard of "dogs can't see 2D". | |
| ▲ | afiori an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | With Cathode ray TVs only a single pixel at a time is on, it relies on our eyes having bad enough temporal resolution, if you have Superspeed eyes you will see just a coloured line/pixel moving on screen | |
| ▲ | maverwa an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | With CRTs I would think that the problem may be that they do not see a full picture at all. Because the full screen is never lit all at once? Don’t know how persistence of vision works in this case… |
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| ▲ | __alexs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > While people have an image frame rate of around 15-20 images per second to make moving pictures appear seamless, This is just...wrong? Human vision is much fast and more sensitive than we give it credit for. e.g. Humans can discern PWM frequencies up to many thousands of Hz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_7uN7sfTw |
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| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | NO YOU ARE! > make moving pictures appear seamless True enough. NTSC is 30fps, while PAL is 25fps. The overwhelming majority of people were happy enough to spend, what, billions on screens and displays capable of displaying motion picture in those formats. That there is evidence that most(?) people are able to sense high frequency PWM signals doesn’t make the claim that 15 to 20 frames per second is sufficient to make moving pictures appear seamless. I’ve walked in to rooms where the LED lighting looks fine to me, and the person I was with has stopped, said “nope” and turned around and walked out, because to them the PWM driver LED lighting makes the room look illuminated by night club strobe lighting. That doesn’t invalidate my experience. | |
| ▲ | zacmps 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Badly phrased but not wrong, this is the minimum frame rate for humans to perceive motion as supposed to a slide show of images. The maximum frame rate we can perceive is much higher, for regular video it's probably somewhere around 400-800. |
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| ▲ | bsjshshsb 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I wonder how dogs get on with RGB presentation? |
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| ▲ | xoxxala an hour ago | parent [-] | | Dogs can see some colors, but not as many as humans. They have dichromatic vision, and see shades of gray, brown, yellow and blue. Red and green are particularly bad colors for them. We get blue tennis balls for our pups instead of green; but they aren’t the fetching kind so not sure if it helps. |
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