Why are we using cli wrappers if you're using Claude Code? I get if you need something like Codex but they released sub agents today so maybe not even that, but it's an unnecessary wrapper for Claude Code.

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odie5533 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wrappers are useful for some tasks. I use ralph loops for things that are extremely complicated and take days of work. Like reverse engineering projects or large scale migration efforts.

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hatmanstack 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Even with the 1 mil context windows? Can't you just keep the orchestrator going and run sub agents? Maybe the added space is too new? I also haven't tested out the context rot from 300K and up. Would love some color on it from first hand exp.

	▲	odie5533 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's not a context issue so much as a focus issue. The agent will complete part of a task and then ask if I want it to continue. Even if I told it I want it to keep going until all tasks are complete. Using a wrapper deals with that behavior. Most projects I do take 20 minutes or less for an agent to complete and those don't need a wrapper. But for longer tasks, like hours or days, it gets distracted.

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roncesvalles 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So that you can have a fresh context for every little thing. These harnesses basically marry LLMs with deterministic software logic. The harness programmatically generates the prompts and stores the output, step by step.

You never want the LLM to do anything that deterministic software does better, because it inflates the context and is not guaranteed to be done accurately. This includes things like tracking progress, figuring out dependency ordering, etc.

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gtirloni 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

GSD and superpowers aren't CLI wrappers?

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hatmanstack 15 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a cli wrapper. Don't know how you could say it wasn't.

edit: GSD is a cli wrapper, Superpowers not so much. Both are over-engineered for an easy problem IMHO.

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ramoz 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Both are dramatically over-engineered. & That's okay. I find them to be products of an industry reconciling how to really work with AI as well as optimize workflows around it. Similar to Gastown et al.

Otherwise, if you can own your own thinking, orchestrating, and steering of agents, you're in a more mature place.

	▲	mycall 13 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I also see it as fleeting as right when you have it figured out, a new model will work differently and may/may not need all their engineering layers.
	▲	hatmanstack 14 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think that's fair, if they were created today I'm sure the creators would make different decisions, a penalty of getting there first.

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hermanzegerman 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No it's not. It's using Skills and Agents and runs always inside of Claude Code, Gemini CLI etc...

	▲	swingboy 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		GSD delegates a lot of the deterministic work to a JavaScript CLI. That might be what the poster is talking about.