Eh, tbh I've given up. Can't point out the terrible things that the IDF are up to without being labelled an apologist, or terrorist supporter, or just getting a massively negative reaction.

Now I'm not one to fall prey to the conspiracy theories around Judaism...but like...is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? And that innocent civilians are caught in between, with the usual bad faith reasons of "they were hiding hamas members" aka the exact same rhetoric that Russia used when accused of something terrible that they obviously did, deflection and formal outrage.

The very fact I feel I have to tread so carefully with my comment is an indication that something is seriously, seriously wrong. I don't live in China, I don't live in Russia. But when speaking about Israel or the IDF, I feel like I do.

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bhouston 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things?

I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other to exist.

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nailer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Two states solutions have been offered to and rejected by Arab nationalists since Palestine was partitioned in 1947.

HN being HN: this is a verifiable fact at any source you name.

	▲	bhouston 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-... He and his cronies boosted Hamas in part to split the Palestinians so as to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...