That's too bad. I don't expect fake-meats to be healthy, or cheap, but I like that they can be made without killing animals and without raising them in inhumane conditions.

I had really hoped that people would say, "Well, if it tastes close enough, then how about I go for the cruelty-free version." And it is close-enough -- it's at least as good as a fast-food hamburger.

Perhaps the cognitive dissonance is just too much. The world would be a better place if we ate less meat, even if we don't eliminate it entirely. But to acknowledge the cruelty by avoiding it sometimes means facing it when you do choose animal protein.

Maybe it's just me, but beyond has never tasted close to the original. Impossible does.

The fact that it doesn't taste close to the original and that it commands a price premium is why I ultimately gave up on it. Where I might use beyond, I can usually get a healthier option using ground turkey instead with a much more agreeable flavor and price.

But really, I've just focused on making more meatless dishes in general. Highlighting the flavor of legumes and mushrooms beats trying to fake the flavor of beef.

Personally, when I want to eat less meat, I just eat something else, because they are enough vegetarian/vegan alternatives out there that I don't really see the point of a poor imitation that's even more expensive than the real thing.

I never found it close enough, and it's expensive, and it's bad for you. So no thanks.

> as good as a fast-food hamburger

But at a much higher price? The value is not really there IMO.

From their performance it seems like the intersection of (cares about animals | methane emissions) & doesn't mind health effects & less price sensitive & must eat hamburger-likes is too small.

Interesting point on cognitive dissonance though. I think it's possible to draw a rational tradeoff between acceptable amount of (externalised) cruelty and personal benefits of eating meat - no cognitive dissonance needed.

It was close enough for me and I do acknowledge the cruelty and abstain from many kinds of meat. I was super excited when I tried it first. But after about a year of being part of my regular diet it started being disgusting unfortunately. Now I can only eat it once a in a while.

> how about I go for the cruelty-free version.

They should just use that as a label: https://xkcd.com/641/

Would you like the cruel or cruelty-free patty?

>And it is close-enough -- it's at least as good as a fast-food hamburger.

It's not, though. Vegans that I know always proselytize about how "you can't even tell the difference" but I can tell the difference.

I don't understand the weird vegan obsession with eating fake food. Edible oil product "vegan cheese" and other junk.

If you want to eat meat, eat it. If you don't, don't. You do you, but don't try to sell me on disgusting fake food.

So you'd rather people poison and destroy their own health just so that animals would not need to be killed?

Imagine telling a parent "yeah, it's ok if your kid gets very ill and has chronic diseases, but hey, the chickens will live!"

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