hijacking the thread to ask: under 200€ DSLR to get started?

You can get a Canon 5D II or a Canon 6D for that. Older cameras for sure, but full frame with excellent sensors. And there are a ton of inexpensive used EF lenses available.

Compared to moderns systems the main difference is the autofocus and video capabilities. Modern mirrorless have cosmically better tracking, eye detect etc.

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myself248 4 hours ago | parent [-]

To add: Hit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II and scroll down to the very end, then click "show" to expand the "Canon EOS digital SLR timeline". This is an incredible collection of information that I can't figure out how to link directly.

	▲	rrreese 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The direct link is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_EOS_digital_cam... You can get to it by pressing the `V` in `V T E` at the top left of any tmeplate
	▲	jmusall 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Direct link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_EOS_digital_cam... Not sure why it is a "template".