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ralferoo 4 hours ago

I remember an anecdote our robotics lecturer told our university class in 1995, which was about how in the west we try to make expensive things that are the absolute best of technology and how the other side didn't have that luxury and relied on ingenuity.

He described a cold war Russian missile they had somehow obtained and were tasked with trying to reverse engineer. Ostensibly, it was thought to be a heat seeking missile, but there seemed to be no control or guidance circuitry at all. There was a single LDR (light dependent resistor) attached to a coil which moved a fin. That was it. Total cost for the guidance system maybe a couple of dollars, compared to hundreds of thousands for the cheapest guidance systems we had at the time.

The key insight was that if you shined a light at it, the fin moved one way and if there was no light the fin moved the opposite way. That still didn't explain how this was able to guide a missile, but the next realisation was that the other fins were angled so when this was flying (propelled by burning rocket fuel), the missile was inherently unstable - rotating around the axis of thrust and wobbling slightly. With the moveable fin in place, it was enough to straighten it up when it was facing a bright light, and wobble more when there was no bright light. Because it was constantly rotating, you could think of it as defaulting to exploring a cone around its current direction, and when it could see a light it aimed towards the centre of that cone. It was then able to "explore the sky" and latch on to the brightest thing it could see, which would hopefully be the exhaust from a plane, and so it would be able to lock on, and adjust course on a moving target with no "brain" at all.

Animats an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That's roughly how the original Sidewinder worked. The original concept was to reduce near-misses. If the pilot could get on the target's tail and aim at the engines, it usually got a hit. That was the same task as getting into firing position for guns. Hit rate about 8% in combat.

Later versions allowed launches from longer ranges and from off-angles.

gorgoiler 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe there was a similar weapon being developed in the west, only recently, which involved a missile with contra rotating halves joined by a clutch. The fixed fins caused it to always steer one way. It flew straight by releasing the clutch to spin up the front half, negating the steering effect. Grabbing the clutch caused it to stop spinning and veer off in one direction.

Presto! Two axis continuous flight control with a 1-bit input.

Edit: my memory wasn’t far off. It’s Starstreak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstreak

coredog64 4 hours ago | parent [-]

35-ish years ago there was a pitch for cheap, high velocity, spin-stabilized rockets that were deployed in dense pods on the A-10. The rocket's seeker could divert some small amount of thrust at an angle for guidance, but otherwise that was it. I can't recall if it ever made it out of the pilot phase, but obviously nothing new under the sun.

srean 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strike a light in front of a parked but otherwise active fin guided heat-seeker and its freaky to watch it come alive like a lazy beagle eyeing a treat.

crtified an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That frugal, creative mindset is also the default for people of modest income everywhere in the world - borne of necessity.

snitty 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is shockingly similar to microbial motility mechanisms. Like random walk plus chemotaxis.

mapt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This sounds like the early Sidewinder or other 1940's/1950's attempts at infrared homing missiles.

chroma 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless it was nighttime or the engagement happened at low altitude on a cloudy day, wouldn’t that usually lock onto the sun?

bluescrn 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The wobble would only 'scan' a limited field of view, so only if the sun was in that view

chroma 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Also wouldn't it only work for aircraft that are flying away from the launcher? IR & light signatures are much weaker from the front. At best I think this guidance system would only be economical for ground-based launchers, as the cost of aircraft and their limited payloads mean you want the most effective weapons onboard, not the cheapest.

Annoyingly, I can't find any information online about such a simple guidance system. The earliest homing missile fielded by the Soviets was the K-13[1], which used technology reversed-engineered from the AIM-9 Sidewinder[2]. Later systems seem to be improvements upon that technology, not simplifications.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-13_(missile)

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder

Tadpole9181 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Also wouldn't it only work for aircraft that are flying away from the launcher?

Yes, pretty much all early guided missiles of the sort were what's called "rear-aspect".

Can't see the plume - can't make a boom.

dosssman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Similar to how moths guide themselves toward light

dzhiurgis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> That still didn't explain how this was able to guide a missile

That does explain why it lands on civilian areas tho

Gud 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Incredible

trhway 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

that sounds like crude-fied version of first Sidewinders.

dandanua 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> with no "brain" at all

It seems this is how Russia moves in general. Hopefully, this will end at some point.