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| ▲ | tasuki 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think there exists an amount of money I'd take in exchange for 10 years in jail, at any point in my life. 10 years is a long time. And sure, it depends on the jail... Can I like go for at least a short bike ride or go running? Can I have my computer and internet and Hacker News? Can I drink my oolongs and pu-erhs? Is the food delicious? But then it's not much of a jail anymore... | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > But then it's not much of a jail anymore... If you aren't free to leave, and you're kept apart from society it's a jail. No one is ever sentenced to "10 years of eating bad food". Our prison system may torture people, it may feed them maggot infested food, it may deny them healthcare or safety, but that's not justice and it's not the punishment they were given, it's just an abuse they're made to suffer because the cruel and the greedy have been able to get away with it. If we've determined that somebody is too dangerous to live with the rest of our society there's no reason at all that they should have to be miserable or suffer needlessly. It's enough that they are kept away from us so that we're safe from them. Their actions would have required us to take their freedom, but they should be able to make the best of their situation and not be subjected to inhumane treatment or abuse. If we feel we need to jail people temporarily as a punitive measure it's enough to keep them locked up, separated from their loved ones, and unable to do what they want or go where they want. The only people who'd think losing your freedom isn't a punishment are those who don't value freedom. Most people really do know it's a punishment, but they just want to see people suffer far beyond what their sentence calls for or the law should ever allow. | | |
| ▲ | verisimi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If you aren't free to leave, and you're kept apart from society it's a jail. Kept apart from society? And no one will be bothering me? Sounds like heaven. | | |
| ▲ | Sharlin 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, it’s more that there will be a specific society that you’ll be forced to be a part of. You can try to keep to yourself but you’ll still be living, eating, showering, and so on in rather cramped conditions with many others. | |
| ▲ | autoexec 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The nice thing about not being in jail is that you have the freedom to choose where and how you live. Feel free to move into a shack in the middle of the woods away from everyone. Plenty of people make the choice to live as hermits or shutins because they don't want to deal with other people or the demands being a part of a community places on them. | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well, if society feels the need of inflicting this on you, it's a win-win, so why not? | |
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| ▲ | defrost 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can get decent food, good education, internet access, bike rides and running in Norwegian prisons - you're still there for {X} years (depending on behaviour). Well, stationary bike riding at least - not all of them have large yards that take a good while to cycle about. * https://www.sixnorwegianprisons.com/spaces/rehabilitation.ht... Some prisons have large field for outdoor activities, like walking together, running, playing football, and skiing and skating in the winter.
* https://www.sixnorwegianprisons.com/spaces/yard.html> But then it's not much of a (US) jail anymore... exactly - these are Norwegian gaols. They started out much like US gaols but once it came clear how poorly they performed (wrt good of community rather than pockets of BigBarsCo.) they were overhauled: * https://www.firststepalliance.org/post/norway-prison-system-... | |
| ▲ | jbstack 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think many people who have children would gladly do 10 year in prison at age 60 if it meant they could leave $400m in their estate. If we pretend for the sake of the argument (unrealistically) that there's no major ethical concern, and that the money can actually be kept afterwards, then I would definitely make that sacrifice for my children. They are more important to me than my own personal comfort. | | |
| ▲ | latexr an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > They are more important to me than my own personal comfort. Which means you can have a bigger positive impact on their lives by being present than by giving them money. | |
| ▲ | djhn an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I would not assume that giving my kids $400 million would be a net benefit to them. Now to be fair I might be wrong, since I’ve neither researched this nor given it much thought. Maybe there is research on deca- and centimillionaire heirs that shows positive effects of money on life satisfaction, happiness, health and other life outcomes. However I suspect it works similarly to sheltering kids from adversity, failure and hardship in general: disadvantages them psychologically and leads to more problems down the line. |
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| ▲ | N7lo4nl34akaoSN 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 1 trillion dollars. | | |
| ▲ | tasuki 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can I use the 1 trillion dollars to make my jail stay more comfortable? If not, then I'm not interested. What would I do with 1 trillion dollars to offset the missing 10 years? Perhaps if there was a good chance I could prolong my "still healthy" years by 20 years or more, I should take it. But it seems like disappearing for 10 years would break a lot of things. People will die, friends will move on... sounds like a rather bad deal still. | | |
| ▲ | latexr an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > What would I do with 1 trillion dollars to offset the missing 10 years? Buy every politician and the media to become the effective ruler of your country, then use your influence to improve the lives of your compatriots, overhaul the entire political system and media to add safeguards to prevent anyone from ever again doing what you did, create a just society and become a beacon of hope to the world. | | | |
| ▲ | N7lo4nl34akaoSN 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 1 quadrillion dollars. I'm not sure if I would take it either. I would feel better earning (a fraction of) the money instead of just sitting around for it. | | |
| ▲ | elevatortrim an hour ago | parent [-] | | I would not want a quadrillion dollars in the first place, I would first try to reduce it to an amount that I can maintain relatively hassle-free and under-the-radar. But even for that perfect amount, I can't think of an age where I'd want to spent 10 years in prison, no matter how comfortable it is. |
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| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody knows how long you will have to live, especially not if you spend 10 years in an average prison. But there is a limited time of being young. |
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