| ▲ | bee_rider 9 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Preventing cheating is hopeless. Anyway, this isn’t the Olympics, a professional sport, or Chess. It’s more like pickup league. Preserving competitive purity should be a non-goal. Rather, aim for fun matches. Matchmaking usually tries to find similar skill level opponents anyway, so let cheaters cheat their way out of the wider population and they’ll stop being a problem. Or, let players watch their killcams and tag their deaths. Camper, aimbot, etc etc. Then (for players that have a good sample size of matches) cluster players to use the same tactics together. Treating games like serious business has sucked all the fun out of it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | eddythompson80 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Unfortunately that has been proven to not work. Matching based on skill works only as long as you have an abundance of players you can do that based on. When you have to account for geography, time of day, momentary availability, and skill level, you realize that you have fractured certain players far too much that it’s not fun for them anymore. Keep in mint that “cheaters” are also looking for matches that would maximize their cheats. Maybe it’s 8PM Pacific Time with tons of players there, but it’s 3 AM somewhere else with much limited number of players. Spoof your ping and location to be there and have fun sniping every player in the map. Sign up for new accounts on every play, who cares. Your fun as a cheater is to watch others lose their shit. You’re not building a character with history and reputation. You are heat sniping others while they are not realizing it. It may sound limited in scope and not worth the effort for you, but it’s millions of people out there tht ruin the game for everyone. Almost every game I know of lets players “watch their kill cam”, and cheaters have adapted. The snipped people have a bias to vote the sniper was cheating, and the snipers have a bias to vote otherwise. Lean one way or the other, and it’s another post on /r/gaming of how your game sucks. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | maccard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> let cheaters cheat their way out of the wider population In a 5v5 shooter this ruins 9 people’s game along the way, times however many games this takes. Enough people do this and the game is ruined > or let players watch their killams and tag their deaths Players are notoriously bad at this stuff. Valve tried it with “overwatch” and it didn’t work at all. Forgetting about anti cheat for a minute though, may hamming for different behaviours is a super interesting topic in itself. It’s very topical right now [0] and a fairly divisive topic. Most games with a ranked mode already do this - there’s a hidden MMR for unranked modes that is match made on, and players self select into “serious” or “non serious” queues. It works remarkably well - if you ever read people saying that Quick Play is unplayable it proves that the separate queues are doing a good job of keeping the two groups separate! [0] https://www.pcgamer.com/games/third-person-shooter/arc-raide... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | chrisfosterelli 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well it is a professional sport -- there's tournaments worth tens of millions of dollars. But honestly it is probably easier to catch cheaters in that environment. The real issue is that cheaters suck the fun out of the game, and matchmaking doesn't fix this because cheaters just cheat the matchmaking (smurf accounts, etc) until they're stomping regular players again. I don't think throwing our hands up and letting the cheaters go on is a real solution. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | YetAnotherNick 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Anyway, this isn’t the Olympics, a professional sport, or Chess. Yes, its prize pool is order of magnitude higher than either of Olympics sports or Chess. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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