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▲ themafia 3 hours ago

Then it was a very strange choice to go to war with a neighbor that's known to have massive stockpiles of missiles.

Maybe it's just me, but if I were in such a suboptimal defensive materiel position, I would try diplomacy first. In fact, I would make it my mission to be the world recognized leader in diplomacy.

▲Spooky23 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Arrogance, and using war to avoid consequences for personal bad behavior of the leader.

▲cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲spwa4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you honestly believe Israel hasn't done that for decades?

▲dr00tb 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You seriously believe Israel has conducted good-faith diplomatic endeavors for decades? A history of terrorattacks and extrajudicial killings in neighboring countries and even European[1] countries tell a different story.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

▲spwa4 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So wait ... you're going to use terror attacks and extrajudicial killings in foreign countries as an argument to defend Iran? Iran is responsible for the civil war in Lebanon, and thus for at least hundred thousand dead in extrajudicial killings. So your argument, even if we accept everything as 100% true ... Iran is at least 1000x more guilty than Israel. Or just take [1] ...

So it seems strange to use this as an argument to defend Iran. Bad faith, even.

As for diplomacy: Iran signs treaties ... then just refuses to uphold them. For example, Iran signed, then pretty openly violated it's nuclear non-proliferation treaty obligations [2], same with the famous nuclear deal.

But, even where it comes to pretty basic things: Iran signed the human rights treaties, including the Geneva convention, and hangs gays and minors as a matter of course (according to amnesty #1 worldwide with hundreds of minors executed, and actually increasing the rate over time), attacks religious minorities, women, the government has a side business in kidnapping foreignors ...

Or other treaties. Iran signed freedom of navigation treaties, and has for decades violated them. Hell, Iran violates the international telecommunications union treaty.

The problem: Iran cannot be negotiated with, for the simple reason that they do not respect deals they make. There's no point in negotiating since their behavior does not change when they make deals. They make promises, and ignore them. They sign treaties, and boast openly about violating them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_diplomat_terror_plot_t...

[2] https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pd...

▲Hikikomori 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You failed to mention that Iran violated the deal only after Trump withdrew the US from it...

Its hard to negotiate with Iran when Israel keeps killing their negotiators.

▲UltraSane 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think Israel is fighting for its survival against enemies that would absolutely destroy it if they could.

▲jcgrillo 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Is that not true of literally every country on Earth? It's just a question of how they do it.

▲tastyface 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is continuing to apply extreme violence against these enemies likely to lead to a good result? What is the end state?

I think we are fast approaching an era where weapons of mass destruction, by way of cheap killbot swarms, are trivially accessible to any government. Without radical diplomacy, I fear the entire Middle East -- Israel included -- is on a path to annihilation.

▲steve-atx-7600 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it can be as simple as if you defeat your enemy first, they can’t defeat you or continue to threaten you.

▲wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That only works against nation states. After what Israel have done in Gaza there's thousands of people who have lost family in a gruesome way and now have an axe to grind against Israel. This way it'll never stop.

The best way to prevent terrorism is to not give people reasons to want you dead.

Look at all the ethnic conflicts in the world. Like the troubles in Ireland. Did that stop because one side threw more bombs? No, it stopped because both sides agreed to talk.

▲tastyface 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Defeating an enemy to the extent that they can't drive a truck full of AI killbots into a busy city center is an impossible task barring a scorched earth approach. And if that option is on the table -- killing millions to secure Israel's future -- then Israel seals its fate regardless.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Old advice that continues to ring true.

▲hollerith 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Non-Israelis also have people that can afford truckfuls of slaughter bots that would kill them if they could, so since Israel is cooked, we are all cooked, right?

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▲yongjik an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A nation fighting for its survival doesn't randomly escalate by attacking a much bigger enemy.

Instead, we frequently see it from dictators with a delusion of grandeur.

▲dogma1138 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Iran attacked Israel directly twice, they are the ones which both escalated and miscalculated their position in the region.

▲UltraSane an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"randomly escalate"?

You DO realize how absurd this is. Iran isn't exactly subtle about its hatred for Israel and desire to destroy it and funding of the "Axis of Resistance".

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▲gravisultra 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just like Nazi Germany.

▲spaghetdefects 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since its inception, Israel has waged war and acts of terror on all of its neighbors (and much of the rest of the world).

▲saint_yossarian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you honestly believe they did?

> Iran and Israel have maintained no diplomatic relations since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and their relationship has been characterized by hostility ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations

▲breppp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

that's untrue by the way, Israel sold weapons to Iran and supported it with intelligence against Iraq after 1979

▲Nevermark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am certainly not defending Iran, but one of their gripes had merit. Israel’s illegal annexation and settling of land that wasn’t theirs.

And their policy of overlooking violence against the previous inhabitants. Genocide slow burn.

So I don’t know what good any diplomacy could have been in that context.

▲hersko 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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▲UltraSane 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲Hikikomori 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Israel killed Irans negotiators just last year. How can you be this deluded.

▲mohsen1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Neighbor?!

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▲themafia 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Next door? No. In the neighborhood? Undoubetly.

▲glob_roman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Iran is close to nuclear device, diplomacy doesn't work, should we attack?" -"no, we don't have enough interceptors. let them become nuclear."

That's what your logic sounds like

▲wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Diplomacy did work, they stopped and had regular IAEA inspections.