| ▲ | culi 3 hours ago |
| I agree. The super rich have been in "prepper" mode for a long time now https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep... > They started out innocuously and predictably enough. Bitcoin or ethereum? Virtual reality or augmented reality? Who will get quantum computing first, China or Google? Eventually, they edged into their real topic of concern: New Zealand or Alaska? Which region would be less affected by the coming climate crisis? It only got worse from there. Which was the greater threat: global warming or biological warfare? How long should one plan to be able to survive with no outside help? Should a shelter have its own air supply? What was the likelihood of groundwater contamination? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down. |
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| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| As a statist, I personally always found it as a fascinating way to look at the future. They are actively preparing for a collapse they themselves are ushering. |
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| ▲ | actionablefiber 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's increasingly a pet theory of mine that the uncontrolled concentration of wealth into the hands of the richest, their subsequent existential ennui, and their disconnect from reality owing to media consolidation and algorithmic content feeds have basically created a world where the superrich are in a "post-game" mentality. There are no further material comforts to obtain. They just want to feel anything at all and the only way to do that is by bringing about the end of the world. | | |
| ▲ | thechao an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Damn! I just nuked a long conversation with ChatGPT outlining my pet theory that with changes in scale of energy regimes (labor->wind/water->coal->oil->solar) we get an excess energetic capacity that means our entertainment systems can't handle! That excess spills out as elite political retrenchment, entertainment jealousy, and (finally) violence, expanded civil rights, and a new entertainment regime. Mostly tongue in cheek... but the whole thing hangs together. | |
| ▲ | DonThomasitos 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Impressive thought. It could also be a built-in mechanism by nature to reshuffle the cards. | |
| ▲ | sroussey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sounds like Fallout | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | mentalgear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly: The 0.01% Elite bleeding out the planet and their biggest worries are: 1. How do I keep my doomsday bunker servants in line? 2. Or is a ticket to Mars the better option? | | |
| ▲ | abirch an hour ago | parent [-] | | Mars isn't a good option due to lack of magnetosphere. Personally if you want to propagate life by shooting containers of RNA at different extraterrestrial plants. | | |
| ▲ | marcosdumay 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > due to lack of magnetosphere Well, it's certainly one of the concerns there. After the lack of an atmosphere, biosphere, usable water... | | |
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| ▲ | bborud 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I recently saw “Mountainhead”. Apropos. | | |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > super rich have been in "prepper" mode for a long time now For every prepper in the $100+ million class, I know a hundred who are not. They’re enjoying their lives or working to make more money. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I second this. Prepping is far more popular among the middle and lower class people I know than the upper classes. Some mainstream religions even encourage prepping. The perception that rich people are preppers comes from the string of stories about a few rich people prepping in New Zealand a few years ago. You can tell who gets their worldview from headlines when rich people are described as “they” who all act in unison and do this one thing that was in news headlines recently. | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A hundred more preppers who aren't $100+ millionaires? Or a hundred more $100+ millionaires who aren't preppers? | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Or a hundred more $100+ millionaires who aren't preppers? This. I live in Wyoming and frequent the Bay Area, New York and some places in Europe and India. The rich preppers are rare. (And mostly techies or oil men.) It’s mostly a middle-class pursuit, the singler and older and maler the person, the more likely they own clothing in camo. If they’ve spent any time in a military or intelligence service, their “prepping” is basic emergency preparedness, not bunker lunacy. (Though one retired special ops guy who started military contracting kept a map of the bunkers. I think as a joke. The saying being a well-stocked bunker owned by an asshole is a good target for a group of guys with guns.) At the end of the day, the rich preppers build bunkers because it gives them something interesting to talk about. That group is mostly chasing that high. | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | (Joke)
I thought it was obvious that it was referring to 100 people who are preppers who are not $100+ millionaires, but I looked at the profile of the GP and wasn't so sure. > karma: 178634 > about: Ski. Fly. Growth equity VC. | | |
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| ▲ | nico_h an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The very plot of rainbow 6, a 1998 Tom Clancy novel, except the preppers are actually helping the catastrophes along. And, if I’m not misremembering, of Silo as well. |
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| ▲ | suzzer99 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They're trying to thread the needle of a collapse bad enough that they'll retreat to their bunkers, but not so bad that their bodyguards will turn on them for their gold. Let's see how it works out! |
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| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The smart play is goats (for meat and milk), ammo, and maybe some silver if you want some ready "cash". You can barter the meat/milk, and even the ammo (but it has other uses). |
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| ▲ | biztos an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I really do wonder whether, should push come to shove, a Peter Thiel will really be better served in a small country like New Zealand that doesn't have many pushers & shovers at which to direct its ire, or back in the land of his first naturalization where they run the show. As for Mark Zuckerberg escaping to his "virtual metaverse," well that's certainly in keeping with the overall seriousness of the Guardian. |
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| ▲ | tempestn 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not sure a billionaire building a bunker is much different from you or me buying fire insurance. It's not that I expect my house to burn down, and it certainly won't prevent me doing everything I can to prevent fires. Even with it, my house burning down would be really bad. But I can afford the insurance, so why not have what protection I can? |
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| ▲ | gcanyon an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Which region would be less affected by the coming climate crisis? Do you have evidence that the ultra wealthy are actually taking this into account? Over a human timeframe every ultra wealthy person has access to plenty of “climate change safe“ locations, no particular advance planning is needed. |
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| ▲ | sroussey an hour ago | parent [-] | | Getting citizenship requires planning. | | |
| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Only if the local government is still intact, which in this scenario is unlikely. At the very least they could bribe their way in. |
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