> language slow

> looks inside

> the reference implementation of language is slow

Despite its content, this blogpost also pushes this exact "language slow" thinking in its preamble. I don't think nearly enough people read past introductions for that to be a responsible choice or a good idea.

The only thing worse than this is when Python specifically is outright taught (!) as an "interpeted language", as if an implementation-detail like that was somehow a language property. So grating.

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zahlman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

While I sympathize (and have said similar in the past), language design can (and in Python's case certainly does) hinder optimization quite a bit. The techniques that are purely "use a better implementation" get you not much further than PyPy. Further benefits come from cross-compilation that requires restricting access to language features (and a system that can statically be convinced that those features weren't used!), or indeed straight up using code written in a different language through an FFI.

But yes, the very terminology "interpreted language" was designed for a different era and is somewhere between misleading and incomprehensible in context. (Not unlike "pass by value".)

	▲	perching_aix 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Absolutely, no doubt about that. I just find it a terrible way to approach from in general, as well as specifically in this case: swapping out CPython with PyPy, GraalPy, Taichi, etc. - as per the post - requires no code changes, yet results in leaps and bounds faster performance. If switching runtimes yields, say, 10x perf, and switching languages yields, say, 100x, then the language on its own was "just" a 10x penalty. Yet the presentation is "language is 100x slower". That's my gripe. And these are apparently conservative estimates as per the tables in the OP. Not that metering "language performance" with numbers would be a super meaningful exercise to begin with, but still. The fact that most people just go with CPython does not escape me either. I do wonder though if people would shop for alternative runtimes more if the common culture was more explicitly and dominantly concerned with the performance of implementations, rather than of languages.