| ▲ | dsQTbR7Y5mRHnZv 8 hours ago |
| > in coding, L.L.M.s take away the drudgery and leave the human, soulful parts to you. I've always hated solving puzzles with my deterministic toolbox, learning along the way and producing something of value at the end. Glad that's finally over so I can focus on the soulful art of micromanaging chatbots with markdown instead. |
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| ▲ | IanCal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| To read it in a kinder way, I can focus on a complex logic problem, a flow, an architecture or micro optimisation. I can have an llm setup the test harnesses. I improved test speed which was fun, I had an llm write a nice analysis front end to the test timing which would have taken time but just wasn’t interesting or hard. Ask yourself if there are tasks you have to do which you would rather just have done? You’d install a package if it existed or hand off the work to a junior if that process was easy enough, that kind of thing. Those are places you could probably use an LLM. |
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| ▲ | GoblinSlayer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why not, normies love to talk with the computer. |
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| ▲ | rikroots 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well I do seem to spent a fair amount of my developer time swearing at my laptop screen. And then there's that time I spend just prior to writing code just staring at the wall while I figure out what sort of code I want to write - if I can repackage that wall-staring time into "time spent consulting with AI about approaches and architecture decisions" I'm sure my engineering manager will think more kindly of me ... | | |
| ▲ | GoblinSlayer 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm puzzled why they don't speak aloud. Isn't it more natural AI interface? How difficult it is to connect a microphone to speech to text engine and connect that to AI? And then speak aloud. Your manager will be happy to hear you work. |
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| ▲ | caseyf 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| +1024. what the FUCK, Anil. We solved coding-is-for-everyone by throwing up our hands. please crush my body under the heaviest layer of abstraction yet and have the llm read my eulogy because who could possibly know me better than the code I spend all day talking to as if it were a human |
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| ▲ | crocodile10203 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean if > 30% of my work is drudgery, I have failed already. |
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| ▲ | AUF2026 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | rjh29 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The two types of coder argument seems strong to me. Coders who love the art of programming (optimisation for the sake of it, beautiful designs, data structures...) and builders. The former are in for a rough time. The latter are massively enabled and no longer have to worry about smashing together libs by hand to make crud apps. |
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| ▲ | ori_b 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Doordash is also enabled home cooks; they no longer have to worry about smashing together ingredients by hand to make dinner. | |
| ▲ | crocodile10203 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "bvilders" right now its mostly people who want to build a substandard app and shill it everywhere. | |
| ▲ | swader999 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes this is the state of it. But just wait a few months, maybe years, the builders aren't safe either. It just won't be cost effective to let humans build in a matter of time. | | |
| ▲ | DennisP 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends on what you mean by "builder." If you mean "somebody with an idea who wants to make it real" then that person is massively enabled. | | |
| ▲ | stavros an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | So enabled, in fact, that there's almost no point in downloading an already-made app when you can just trivially tailor-make your own. The builder is massively enabled to quickly make anything they want, for an audience of exactly one. | | |
| ▲ | steve-atx-7600 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Strongly disagree. You think you’d be able to prompt your way through creating an app with even half the feature set of Microsoft word, for example? I would be very time consuming to be able to think through how the app should work for many use cases you care about or didn’t think about. This time isn’t free. Now consider having to do this iteration across many apps you depend on. And, count on introducing regressions when your next prompt is incompatible with existing features. If you are not retired, this is a huge ongoing time sync. | | |
| ▲ | stavros an hour ago | parent [-] | | You think you were able to prompt your way through creating hello world five years ago? Models improve and they need less and less guidance. Combined with the fact that my use cases aren't your use cases, yes, it might be cheaper for me to make my own than to slog though software that wasn't built to serve my exact needs. | | |
| ▲ | steve-atx-7600 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I’m not saying that there’s no need for specialty apps optimized for specific use cases or that you can’t use llms to create them more cheaply than last year. Only that the time to think through how the app should work and iterate on it is still significant in the way that it was last year if you were given the worlds best team of software engineers and they’d code to your product requirements. You’d only take this path for apps where the time tradeoff is worth it vs “off the shelf” apps. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The issue is that off the shelf apps were made at a time when it was too expensive to make apps. Everyone uses 2% of Word, Photoshop, etc, it's just a different 2% for each. You only need to reimplement that 2% for yourself for it to be worth it, not the entire app. |
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| ▲ | DennisP an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For tiny apps, sure. Some people are making larger projects that take weeks or months even with AI, that they never could have done otherwise. | |
| ▲ | GoblinSlayer an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | How would you address user requests? Tailor-make a custom app for every user? | | |
| ▲ | ori_b 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Assuming AI lives up to the marketing: Why would someone use an app instead of promoting their agent to figure out how to get something done? | |
| ▲ | stavros an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cars are here and you're wondering how someone could possibly make a faster horse. You wouldn't address user requests. You aren't a business. The users all make their own apps for themselves. |
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| ▲ | gedy an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those "idea men" I've seen are usually not capable of following through a logical product, even if they start using AI. It's not just the code that's the barrier. The prototypes or whatever can be handy to help them explain themselves to others of course. | | |
| ▲ | DennisP an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are plenty of programmers who are perfectly capable of delivering products, who have ideas that are too ambitious to do on their own. | | |
| ▲ | gedy an hour ago | parent [-] | | Agreed, that's not really who I was referring too. |
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| ▲ | beepbooptheory 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yall's blood-diamond-ass mommy bots are going to replace bullshit with bullshit and call it a win. The last datacenter will run out of coal and water and we'll be asking: "but how in the world am I going to make this Todo app?" |
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