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sigmoid10 2 hours ago

China also had made industry espionage their way to go in these things. They are not even hiding it anymore. It's almost comical how much they copied SpaceX. And I'd be surprised if they hadn't supply-chained themselves into some level of access in all the big aerospace corpos by now. But Europe? Developing this kind of stuff from scratch in a few years without an unregulated messy startup ecosystem and no army of state sponsored hackers? No chance.

Liftyee an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Curious - Any sources? Looking at publicly available details and copying them might be intellectually dishonest if it was a piece of coursework, but this isn't an academic research project. Taking features from something that's known to work is the fastest way to get to something working.

If there's actual smuggling of designs or trade secrets going on, I'd be more interested. But if it's just "the rocket looks the same on the outside", that's hardly "industrial espionage".

mwambua 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Bloomberg's podcast "The Big Take" has been running an interesting series on Chinese industrial espionage called "The Sixth Bureau". Here's a link to the Youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38L5UzLwt-s&list=PLe4PRejZgr...

buckle8017 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Be serious, you don't really need a citation to know the CCP is using industrial espionage to advance their defense industry.

bryanlarsen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, they're trying. But there's no evidence they've succeeded in stealing anything other than open source intelligence from SpaceX.

There's a lot of open source intelligence about SpaceX rocket designs available.

throw310822 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Be serious, do you think defense industry normally respects other nations' industrial secrets?

joe_mamba an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>China also had made industry espionage their way to go in these things.

Few layman know this but France is one of the biggest industrial espionage players active in the US and Europe, after Israel of course.

In fact, according to Wikileaks diplomatic cables from Berlin quote: "France is the country that conducts the most industrial espionage [in Europe], even more than China or Russia."

Basically, every nation on the planet engages in espionage for its own benefit if they can get away with it. There's no honor amongst thieves.

Singling out China as if they're the only ones doing it, or the ones doing it the most, is both naive and hilarious.