| ▲ | trollbridge 8 hours ago |
| Aren’t there huge stockpiles of helium in the US? I can buy party sized tanks at Target or big tanks at the usual places like welding supply places. |
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| ▲ | hrmtst93837 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Helium for party balloons is low grade and not pure enough for chip fab use, so stacking up birthday tanks won't keep TSMC running. Industrial grade helium has a restricted and oddly international supply chain thanks to regulation and a few weirdly-placed depots. The US 'helium stockpile' isn't really a menu you can just order from when a factory across the planet runs dry, especially if offtakes and logistics are tied up by decade-old government contracts. If you want to see supply chain fragility, try pricing MRI-grade helium after a shutdown and watch everyone in medical procurement panic quitely. |
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| ▲ | stevenwoo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| All natural gas deposits contain helium at various concentrations, it's only commercially worth harvesting above a certain percentage but speculate the problem is the US can't just fill the Qatar loss in supply immediately since we have plentiful natural gas. |
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| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent [-] | | Makes sense. We have so much gas where I live that there are places it’s just flared off and burned, because it’s less greenhouse emissions than it escaping unburned. | | |
| ▲ | GeorgeWBasic an hour ago | parent [-] | | If it's being burned, it isn't helium. | | |
| ▲ | XorNot 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Helium deposits don't exist is the thing, the same structures in the Earth which trap methane gas also trap helium gas and some of them trap enough to make recovery economically viable. | |
| ▲ | HPsquared 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Parent is referring to natural gas |
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| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Depending on who you go to, some places will not sell you tanks of Helium. We did a balloon launch expecting to use Hydrogen because Helium was going to be problematic. The sales rep at the supply place took a look at the group of us knuckleheads with absolutely no Hydrogen experience and ended up selling us the Helium while also exchanging all of our connectors. Hydrogen tanks use specific connectors different from all other tanks to make using a hydrogen take by mistake very difficult. I was nervous about using hydrogen and had no issue with the higher price for the helium knowing I wasn't going to catch on fire. |
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| ▲ | emsign 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Balloon gas is ~20% oxygen, so your kids don't go unconscious while doing the funny voices. |
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| ▲ | meroes 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I can personally attest that this is not foolproof, if it is even the case. Those helium tanks you can buy for large parties knocked me out as a kid. Lost consciousness fell to the ground, blacked out. Supervise your kids if you buy one! | |
| ▲ | icwtyjj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://www.bocgases.ie/files/balloon_grade_helium_factsheet... says 95% helium and 1% oxygen while https://dan.org/alert-diver/article/helium-gas-purity-what-i... says 97.5% helium but very unlikely for it to be as low as 80% | | |
| ▲ | inaros an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "An overview of the different common grades of helium" - https://zephyrsolutions.com/what-are-the-different-grades-of... Grade 6 (6.0 helium = 99.9999% purity)
The closest to 100% pure helium, 6.0 helium is used in the manufacturing of semiconductor chips –
Grade 5.5 (5.5 helium = (99.9995% purity)
Like 6.0 helium, 5.5 ultra pure helium gas is typically considered “research grade,” also used in chromatography and semiconductor processing Grade 5 (5.0 helium = 99.999% purity)
This high purity grade helium is also widely used for gas chromatography, mass spectrometry, and specific laboratory research when higher purity gases are not necessary, as well as for weather balloons and blimps. Grade 4.8 (4.8 helium = 99.998% purity)
The highest of the “industrial grade” heliums, 4.8 grade helium is often used by the military. The rest is classified... Grade 4.7 (4.7 helium = 99.997% purity)
A “Grade-A” industrial helium, 99.997% helium is mostly used in cryogenic applications and for pressurizing and purging Grade 4.6 (4.6 helium = 99.996% purity)
Grade 4.6 industrial helium is used for weather balloons, blimps, in leak detection Grade 4.5 (4.5 helium = 99.995% purity)
Often the grade most commonly referred to when people say “industrial grade,” 99.995% helium is most commonly used in the balloon industry Grade 4 (4.0 helium and lower = 99.99% purity)
Any helium that is 99.99% and down into the high 80 percents is within the range of purities referred to collectively as “balloon grade helium.” | |
| ▲ | HPsquared 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Helium for diving is going to be a different mix than what's used for balloons. In diving it's used to reduce the partial pressure of oxygen, and also to quickly diffuse back out of tissues when returning to the surface. Very different application! | |
| ▲ | bee_rider 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wonder if one of you could be going by number of atoms, and the other could be going by weight? |
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| ▲ | kerridge0 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I believe that that's the stuff you buy in the shop, the non-refillable containers. If you buy a proper refillable balloon gas cylinder it's the higher grade stuff. Source: bought the shop stuff, got disappointed, bought the cylinder, happy. | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You sure about that? Everything I've ever heard says that balloon gas is generally grade 4, which is 99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI, but quite a lot better than 80%. | | |
| ▲ | Jblx2 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI What is the reason that MRI needs grade 6 vs grade 4 helium? I'm imagining that the superconducting wire is within a cryostat filled with liquid helium. Doesn't seem like there would be any appreciably partial pressure of things like nitrogen or oxygen at 4 Kelvin. I imagine the reactivity of oxygen is pretty low at 4 K as well. How much dissolved oxygen or nitrogen can liquid helium support? And how much solidifies out and sinks to the bottom of the cryostat? | |
| ▲ | pfdietz an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Economically I expect it wouldn't be that pure, since it doesn't have to be that pure to provide lift, and party balloons are not trying to maximize lift. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus an hour ago | parent [-] | | Out of curiosity I did a minor amount of research to get an idea. Turns out that you are right, some balloon gas is 80%. Specifically, the "Balloon Time" tanks you can buy at places like Target say "not less than 80%" helium. On the other hand, I went to AirGas and a few other suppliers and they seemed to have 95%-97.0% helium gas as their definition for balloon grade. | | |
| ▲ | pfdietz an hour ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps "balloon grade" here is not "party balloon grade". Weather balloons? Research balloons? | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus an hour ago | parent [-] | | My guess is that places like AirGas aren't really supplying many weather or research balloons. I suspect the easier answer is 'Balloon Time is low grade crap aimed at people who don't know any better and just want to pick up some balloon gas while grocery shopping.' It's like the difference between people who go to a gas station to refill propane tanks, and people who swap them at Home Depot. (though the smart fellers do swap at Home Depot occasionally, if they need a fresher tank...) Definitely worth knowing what you're getting, in any case, so you don't get ripped off, and so you can actually get that lawn chair contraption into the sky. |
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| ▲ | bryan0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | source? the value I found is 97.5%+ helium for party balloons:
https://www.grecogas.com/learn-our-industry/your-complete-gu... | |
| ▲ | stevenwoo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People commit suicide with it because it's supposedly painless and quick. | |
| ▲ | kylehotchkiss an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We're dumb enough now to have forgotten history. Moar hydrogen party balloons. Making partying fun again! | |
| ▲ | shmeeed 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | qwertox 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is very likely not true. | | |
| ▲ | estimator7292 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would you like to offer a rebuttal more well reasoned and thought out than "nuh-uh"? You have the entire collected knowledge of mankind at your fingertips. You could do 30 seconds of research and find an answer better than "I don't think that sounds right". | | |
| ▲ | gjm11 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. (The form in which Christopher Hitchens actually stated "Hitchens' Razor" is more symmetrical but unfortunately wrong: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Anything can be asserted without evidence! It's only when something actually has been, in a given context, that dismissing it is -- in the same context -- a reasonable course of action.) | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > You could do 30 seconds of research So could you, right? |
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| ▲ | krunck an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve |
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| ▲ | fluidcruft 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of the balloon use has switched to nitrogen (helium became much, much more expensive after the strategic helium reserve was sold off) |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nitrogen? That's basically just air, what good would a balloon be using nitrogen? Might as well just blow it up with your lungs. It's certainly not going to float in any case. | |
| ▲ | ralferoo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > balloon use ... helium became much, much more expensive More than just from inflation? (sorry, not sorry!) | |
| ▲ | bilsbie 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is lifting gas? That’s pretty cool. | | |
| ▲ | nerdsniper 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Technically yes, but practically no. Air is 78% nitrogen. Nitrogen is 3.3% lighter than air. Helium is 86.2% lighter than air. Hydrogen is 93% lighter than air. | |
| ▲ | cpncrunch 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. |
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| ▲ | dnautics 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| not just. huge deposits opened (actively being exploited) up in colorado, utah in the past few years and Minnesota this year |
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| ▲ | mc32 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good old JIT stock management for essential materials, right? One’d think that they’d keep more than a couple of weeks’s supply of critical materials —to bad many copied Cook’s and others’s JIT inventory management for everything. |
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| ▲ | vasco 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Messer Completes Acquisition of Federal Helium System from BLM https://www.messer-us.com/press-releases/messer-completes-ac... |
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| ▲ | bix6 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why did we sell it instead of lease? This seems like something that should be in public hands. | | |
| ▲ | tzs an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The Helium Privatization Act of 1996 (HPA) required it. It passed to House on a voice vote and the Senate by unanimous consent and was signed by President Clinton. After sales paid off the debt that has been incurred from the expansion of scope of the helium program in the 1960 Helium Act, which was one of the main points of the HPA, it was update by the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013 (which passed the House 394-1, and the Senate 97-2, and was signed by President Obama). | |
| ▲ | piva00 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ideological idiocy, the dismantling of anything public turning into private hands is ideologically pure for libertarian-inclined folks, no matter how strategically stupid it might be. | | | |
| ▲ | forgetfreeman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | crypto-libertarian "government bad" ideology is one hell of a drug. | | |
| ▲ | dnautics 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | well it was signed into law by obama, so there's that. | | |
| ▲ | kristjansson 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | yes the president is the law giver, he who conceives, imposes, and bears in perpetuity all responsibilities for all laws passed during his term | |
| ▲ | stvltvs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I like the guy, but he was GOP-lite as a president, served corporate interests. | |
| ▲ | forgetfreeman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm no partisan. Politicians elected to serve corporate interests come in your choice of red or blue. | | |
| ▲ | dnautics 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | of course but i think characterizing obama as a Crypto-Libertarian is a disservice to carter, who was actually a crypto-libertarian |
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| ▲ | cagenut 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | sorry thats too far left wing an opinion in america today | | |
| ▲ | infogulch 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The sale was completed in 2024. | | |
| ▲ | actionfromafar 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I feel that as soon as the existential threat easened with the splintering of the Soviet Union, the US started doing some self-harming libertarian flavored shit to itself. In the 1980s, I assume getting rid of the "strategic reserve" of anything would have met more pushback, because of primal fear overriding greed. | | |
| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Wasn’t the original purpose of the strategic helium reserve to build fleets of zeppelins? | |
| ▲ | scythe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > We are going to do a terrible thing to you — we are going to deprive you of an enemy. – Georgi Arbatov, Soviet political scientist, 1988 | |
| ▲ | noah_buddy an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, Reagan was noted for his desire to avoid privatization of anything. /s Kidding aside, the US has had libertarian pipe dreams for the better part of its history. The aberration was the New Deal period up until the mid 60s. |
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| ▲ | phr4ts 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For those who don't understand, Biden sold the Helium not Trump - he took office on Jan 20, 2025. | | |
| ▲ | baldeagle 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Current law (cira 2013) requires BLM to sell off the crude helium remaining in the Federal Helium Reserve in order to repay the U.S. Treasury the $1.3 billion debt incurred creating it. This debt will be repaid this fiscal year and that, as a consequence, the helium program will terminate at the end of the current fiscal year (October 1, 2013), absent Congressional action.
Currently, the Federal Helium Reserve supplies roughly 40% of domestic and 30% of global helium demand. Loss of access to the Federal Helium Reserve would result in significant disruptions to a large number of critical U.S. industries." https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/494b2f9e-c8f5-4... Sounds like Obama kept the gas taps flowing, instead of locking it up because authorization to sell it had expired. Here is the whole record: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/527/... | |
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| ▲ | 4ggr0 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > too far left wing > biden uhm... | | |
| ▲ | edgyquant 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | His admin was by far the most left wing in history, only the actual far left think otherwise | | |
| ▲ | cyberax an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | How does he compare with Nixon, who created the EPA? | |
| ▲ | ImPostingOnHN an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please don't call everyone names for not agreeing with you. There are billions of people in the world, and you are one, and you have your one set of opinions out of billions. Nobody endowed you or your opinions with any sort of infallibility or superiority over others. |
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| ▲ | owebmaster 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Foi de vasco (died). |
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