That steelman still stands on a core assumption that its both the state's responsibility and right to step in and parent on everyone's behalf.

Maybe a majority of people today agree with that, but I know I don't and I never hear that assumption debated directly.

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gzread an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The point of having a state at all is to create a framework where people are set up to succeed.

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_heimdall 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Where exactly are you getting that goal of a state from? Maybe that's one of the goals today, historically I don't think it was anywhere on the list.

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heavyset_go an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Everyone shouldn't have to lose their privacy just because you're too lazy to use parental controls or give your kids devices that are made for children.

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gzread an hour ago | parent [-]

Entering your child's age when you create their user account is a loss of privacy?

	▲	PeterisP 39 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The current bills (e.g. NY one at https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8102/amendm... ) require age assurance that goes beyond mere assertions, so when creating your (adult) user account it would be required to give away your privacy to prove your age - if you can't implement a way for anonymous/pseudonymous people to verify that they indeed are adults (and not kids claiming to be so), these bills prohibit you to manufacture internet-connected systems that can be used by anonymous/pseudonymous users.

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edgyquant 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Then frankly you haven’t seen many debates around age verification as it’s the main thing discussed every time it’s brought up

	▲	_heimdall 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You are correct, I didn't pay close attention to any EU debates that may have happened, I haven't lived there in years. In the US I haven't seen much debate at all, regardless of the bill really we don't seem to have leaders openly and honestly debate anything.