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mlyle 2 hours ago

> Cost of enforcement matters. The exact same nominal law that is very costly to enforce has completely different costs and benefits then that same law becoming all but free to rigidly enforce.

Hey, I really like this framing. This is a topic that I've thought about from a different perspective.

We have all kinds of 18th and 19th century legal precedents about search, subpoenas, plain sight, surveillance in public spaces, etc... that really took for granted that police effort was limited and that enforcement would be imperfect.

But they break down when you read all the license plates, or you can subpoena anyone's email, or... whatever.

Making the laws rigid and having perfect enforcement has a cost-- but just the baseline cost to privacy and the squashing of innocent transgression is a cost.

(A counterpoint: a lot of selective law enforcement came down to whether you were unpopular or unprivileged in some way... cheaper and automated enforcement may take some of these effects away and make things more fair. Discretion in enforcement can lead to both more and less just outcomes).

miki123211 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is my problem with Americans and their "but the constitution" arguments.

The U.S. constitution has been written in an age before phones, automatic and semi-automatic rifles (at least in common use), nuclear weapons, high-bandwidth communications networks that operate at lightning speed, mass media, unbreakable encryption and CCTV cameras.

bombcar 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

The problem is that "all sides" agree that if the constitution was written today, surprise, surprise, it'd totally agree with them; the gun control people are sure that the 2nd wouldn't cover military weapons, the gun lovers are sure that it would mandate tanks for everyone.

But since having 300 million people have a detailed, nuanced discussion about anything is impossible, everyone works at the edges.

tekne 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the fundamental issue is that a form of equality where everyone gets what was previously the worst outcome is... probably worse.

pocksuppet an hour ago | parent [-]

Many times when politicians get to suffer the full effects of their laws, the laws quickly change for the better.