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kergonath 6 hours ago

> It's not enshrined in some document they got together and wrote down like the US constitution

It’s also very brittle and one charismatic populist away from unraveling like the American government. Too much depends on gentlemen agreements and people trusting other people to do the right thing. It works in a stable environment, but shatters the moment someone with no shame and no scruples shows up.

hardlianotion 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most western democracies have exactly the same fault, maybe having unscrupulous, shameless legislators are the end state of the current models of democracy being practiced.

tshaddox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It’s also very brittle and one charismatic populist away from unraveling

All sufficiently large governments (really all organizations of any kind) are necessarily like this, from the most successful attempts at open societies to the most autocratic. They all require constant vigilance both to perform their intended function and to preserve themselves into the future.

laughing_man 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's really no way around the possibility that whatever you've written down in your constitution will be ignored in the heat of the moment, or become degraded over time.

Jensson 4 hours ago | parent [-]

But you don't need to put the military under the direct command of the civilian president like US does, if parliament can take military action against the civilian president and civilian action against the military leader then they have ways to deal with both.

American president is too powerful to deal with since he controls both the civilian and the military side.

marcus_holmes 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is the one argument left for monarchy; that the military in the UK (and technically Australia) swear loyatly to the monarch, not the Prime Minister. In the event of an obviously-lunatic elected official ordering the troops into civilian areas to "pacify" civilian populations, the monarch could (in theory) countermand that order.

laughing_man 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's a mechanism by which Congress can remove the president if he gets out of control.

philistine 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While no democratic system is completely protected from tyrants, at least the UK (and the Commonwealth nations who inherited their principles) uses the living tree doctrine in its courts, which means that the written text is not sacrosanct and the intention and usage is to be considered. That and unwritten tradition has force of law and can be challenged in court. Look at Boris Johnson's reversal of his prorogation as an example.

throwaway85825 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Constitution and laws are just pieces of paper. They only matter if the population acts as if they matter. Liberia has the same Constitution as the US.

petesergeant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strong disagree. It's uncontested that supreme authority lies with parliament, not with the leader of the day. PM can't do shit if parliament doesn't want him to, because they can always simply change the rules on him.

brailsafe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But they're cycled through much more rapidly, and seem generally more vulnerable than the dictators in the U.S or otherwise. A small concession to be sure.

It seems like a fundamental failure of government that in many cases, there are no consequences for deliberately or accidentally screwing your people. You either get murdered eventually or the country is just left to fix itself later, which disproportionately affects people with little resources.

charcircuit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being able to vote in a strong leader to fix things directly is a feature. Democracy is not always the answer and when it is it can be too slow when time matters.

01jonny01 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Britain's problems are due to uncharismatic Blairite socialist.

ordinaryradical 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This comment may or may not be wrong but it is quintessentially low effort.

The point of HN is to discuss, not to tweet about your political enemies.

skibble 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All of them? Hmmm.

b00ty4breakfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know much about UK politics but I definitely know enough to know that there's no such thing as a "Blairite socialist".

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