| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 16 hours ago |
| I like Dwarkesh's style better than Lex Fridman, because unlike Fridman he's not a propagandist for Russia and doesn't have that "love" bullshit vibe. But on the substance they're equally vapid. Dwarkesh's interview with Richard Sutton was especially cringe. |
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| ▲ | ed_balls 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Dwarkesh is even more astroturfed than Lex Fridman. The interviews they do are just ads. No challenges, no hard questions. All seem staged and prepared. |
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| ▲ | scoopdewoop 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dwarkesh was ready to whitewash Elon the day after his Epstein emails came out. None of them should be taken seriously. |
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| ▲ | newyankee 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | More than that the questions about space based solar vs land solar for data center calculations seemed hollow as they are easily verifiable. He let Elon get away with this admin does not like Solar as an answer instead of what he is doing to convince them otherwise | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Link please! | | |
| ▲ | scoopdewoop 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | The day after the emails came out he posted a video where they had beers while Elon LARPed as a human | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Link please! | | |
| ▲ | naves 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Elon Musk – "In 36 months, the cheapest place to put AI will be space”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYXbuik3dgA | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for the link because I can't stomach 3 hours of this. First phrase: "you're saving on energy by putting data centers in space". What? 2:08 "It's harder to scale on the ground than it is in space" what? | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | The argument is permitting and weather proofing are harder than lifting at certain values of scale for each. We’re not there right now. But if Starship pans out we’re at least damn close, particularly if solar-panel fabrication can be done from out-of-well silicates. | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | You don't buy any of this right? Didnt startship exploded like 10 times by now? But in 30 months they'll be launchign 1 per hour? What? | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You don't buy any of this right? I actually do. The math is more strained than anything present. But a lot of people are rejecting it out of hand without doing anything back of the envelope. Truth is, barring a seismic shift in how we permit data centers on the ground, it takes a within-the-envelope decreases in launch costs to make space-based data centers profitable. Which is then just a cheat code for building a Dyson sphere. > Didnt startship exploded like 10 times by now? They all explode all the time. Starship has also been consistently improving its suborbital flight characteristics. I don’t see a good argument for a fundamental design fuckup in the data we have. > But in 30 months they'll be launchign 1 per hour? This is nonsense. But within ten years? I think so. At least, we don’t have a good reason to reject that with current data. And that would make the cost equation flip to favoring space-based infrastructure. Which, honestly, is not the answer I expected. (I’ve done aerospace stuff for a while. Most of the back-of-the-envelope math fails. It failed for space-based solar power. It failed for asteroid mining. And it currently fails for space-based data centers. But let launch costs dip a bit, or permitting delays and risks rise a bit, and the equation balances sooner than one would think.) | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Changing permits sounds to me a lot easier than building anything in space. What has ever been built in space? The ISS, that's it. Alright, show me the back of the envelope maths. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Changing permits sounds to me a lot easier than building anything in space Having done a little bit of both, the latter around data centers, I’ll say they’re different kinds of hard. > Alright, show me Fair question. But no, I’m still refining my math and making bets on this. But I’ll start working on an HN comment in a few weeks and try to remember to post it back to this thread. My basic argument is to try pinning out current datacenter costs, pin out lifted costs, and then work out what cost/kg you need to balance the two. Hint: approval time and interest rates are meaningful variables. | | |
| ▲ | aspenmayer 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I’ll start working on an HN comment in a few weeks and try to remember to post it back to this thread iirc HN threads automatically close, due to inactivity and (/or?) based on time since the original post. I wasn’t able to find a thread with the comments still open from 16 days ago, let alone a “few weeks”, but in good faith I’m assuming that you already know that, and aren’t using that as an out to avoid replying, not that anyone is “owed” a reply by you, or by anyone. This is all to say, I appreciate the thread as a bystander, and would thus naturally eagerly await your reply if and when it arrives before the closure of individual this post’s comment section. |
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| ▲ | armitron 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Dwarkesh is your run-of-the-mill vapid influencer idiot. Fridman on the other hand, when in the presence of greatness, knows to STFU and listen. |
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| ▲ | ademeure 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's definitely something to be said for giving interesting people a platform to express their views unconditionally. Unfortunately, that can also be a very dangerous thing. I have been less and less impressed over the years with Lex's approach here. I'm personally very glad that Dwarkesh isn't like that. He's not perfect, but I think he's doing a way better job than other podcasters in the field right now. | |
| ▲ | Upvoter33 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “The presence of greatness” - ugh. | |
| ▲ | throwa356262 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have been told the Fridmans association with MIT is mostly a lie. Not sure if this is true, maybe someone who went to MIT around the same time can shed some light on this? | | |
| ▲ | kleebeesh 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm a random dude on the Internet, but my partner completed her PhD at MIT. While there I knew and knew of a few PhD grads who worked at MIT in some non-tenure-track role (postdoc, staff researcher, etc). Typically for a couple years and then they get a better-paying or more permanent job. But several remained "affiliated" in some way. They kept their MIT website/email, some in academia continued to collaborate to some extent. Things like that. But AFAIK they weren't getting a paycheck from MIT. And it's somewhere between neat and genuinely professionally valuable to be affiliated w/ a prestigious university, so I don't blame them for claiming affiliation. My best guess is he's "affiliated" in a similar way. |
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| ▲ | lovich 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | His Zelensky interview suggests otherwise | | |
| ▲ | ed_balls 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's interesting that's the only interview when he challenged someone. |
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