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jsheard 10 hours ago

Sam Altman would love to sell you a solution to the fire that he dumped gasoline on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)

shit_game 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This issue (human attestation) is the product of these AI companies. They are poisoning the well, only to sell the cure. This may not have initially been the plan of many of these companies, but it is the eventual end goal of all of them. Very similar to war profiteers, selling both the problem and the solution simultaneously has yet to be illegalized, but has long been masterfully capitalized, and will be vigourously because nobody will stop it.

Years ago (around 2020, when GPT-2 and 3 became publicly available) I noticed and was incredibly critical of how prevalent LLM-generated content was on reddit. I was permanently banned for "abusing reports" for reporting AI-generated comments as spam. Before that, I had posted about how I believed that the the fight against bots was over because the uncanny valley of text generation had been crossed; prior to the public availability of LLMs, most spam/bot comments were either shotgunned scripts that are easily blockable by the most rudimentary of spam filters, generated gibberish created by markov chains, or simply old scraped comments being reposted. The landscape of bot operation at the time largely relied on gaming human interaction, which required carefuly gaming temporal-relevance of text content, coherence of text content (in relation to comment chains), and the most basic attempt at appearing to be organic.

After LLMs became publicly available, text content that was temporally, contextually, and coherently relevant could be generated instantly for free. This removed practically every non-platform-imposed friction for a bot to be successful on reddit (and to generalize, anywhere that people interact). Now the onus of determining what is and isn't organic interaction is squarely on the platform, which is a difficult problem because now bot operators have had much of their work freed up, and can solely focus on gaming platform heuristics instead of also having to game human perception.

This is where AI companies come in to monetize the disaster they have created; by offering fingerprinting services for content they generate, detection services for content made by themselves and others, and estimations of human authenticity for content of any form. All while they continue to sell their services that contradict these objectives, and after having stolen literally everything that has ever been on the internet to accomplish this.

These people are evil. Not these companies - they are legal constructions that don't think or feel or act. These people are evil.

pear01 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One should highlight the best part of this: https://www.toolsforhumanity.com/orb

An orb that scans your eyeballs for "proof of human".

antonvs 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Negative, I am a meat popsicle

rationalist 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You just need to pay someone 1 cent every time they scan their eye for you. You will have people sitting at home and giving their eye scans to AIs to use.

SchemaLoad 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You'd still burn through IDs. Eventually the people selling their ID would just end up blacklisted from signing up for new accounts.

tomalbrc 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I fully expected this to be a meme. Eerie

levkk 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not clear to me how this is verifiable without constant hardware supervision. Even that'll get cracked, just like DVD encryption back in the day.

You almost need dedicated hardware that can't run any other software except a mechanical keyboard and make it communicate over an analog medium - something terribly expensive and inconvenient for AI farms to duplicate.

intrasight 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I started promoting the idea of hardware verification about 6 years ago. Didn't get any traction and I doubt I ever will.

I think Apple is the only company that would even be able to do that. You have to control the full stack to the pixels or speaker.

degamad 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One physical robot with four wheels, a camera, and a 101 up/down "fingers" to match the keyboard can roll between physical machines and type on mechanical hardware keyboards. This brings the ceiling of how many accounts you can control down to the number of computers you have, but that's not a high price to pay.

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