Arguably with SIP a hardware indicator light is not strictly necessary, the OS could force the indicator pixels to be lit.

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madeofpalk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Isn't the argument that a hardware indicator light is (more) immune to bugs? If its just software, you're a software exploit/bug away from finding a way to access the sensor without tripping the software light.

	▲	bigfishrunning an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This depends on how the light is implemented -- if it's implemented in the camera module itself it's pretty bulletproof, but i would bet it's just a gpio to the processor on most of these devices and controlled by the os anyway. I could be wrong about that, but I err on the side of caution. I keep my phone in a bag most of the time. Treat every gun as if it's loaded, and every camera as if it's filming.
	▲	halapro an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes but also this has never been an issue on any phones (i.e. never heard a complaint), and you take that to the toilet. By comparison a laptop camera has much less access to your private life. People who are truly worried about cameras will cover it regardless of indicator.