> I get it, other than price, the Neo and Air are a bit confusing product wise. Have they looked at how Asus, Lenovo, and Dell are doing their products though? It's absolutely wild the disparity between PC and Apple for laptops.

Yep.

I'm a long-time ThinkPad user, but I have no idea how Lenovo's ThinkPad T series differs from the ThinkPad E series or ThinkPad L series or ThinkPad X series, and their website certainly isn't going to tell me. I keep on buying T series because I'm honestly afraid of trying anything else.

To say nothing of Lenovo's non-ThinkPad laptop brands, including Ideapad, Legion, Yoga, ThinkBook (!), and LOQ.

I really don't know what laptop to recommend to a friend. One friend showed me specs for an Asus they found at Best Buy, and it looked okay, so I said "It's probably fine." Turns out it was shoddily made and overpriced: they had to sent it back not once but twice because the wifi and then the camera didn't work out of the box, then a few months later the hinge broke.

I am not a Mac fan, but it's easy to recommend them because you at least know they are universally well-built machines.

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officeplant 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> I have no idea how Lenovo's ThinkPad T series differs from ...

My personal rundown and how they get assigned:

E - Educational / Lower office personnel spec

L - Office personnel you hate spec, but don't offer the E because they might complain.

T - Give this to all the technicians because they can't take care of anything and it will survive typically.

P - Give this to the engineers who believe having an RTX gpu will actually help them so that they are happy, and to the CAD operators who actually need it.

X - Smaller/Ultrabooks before the term got started, now somewhat a blurry line because T series have gotten lighter/thinner. But the X1 Carbon sure is a great way to spend a ton of money for a light laptop when a T-series would suffice.

Personally I stick to older used X series (currently x250) because I just enjoy a small laptop and they are dirt cheap now.

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mmcnl 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This still doesn't tell me how they differ. What are the factual objective measurable differences between E/L/T/P?

	▲	Giefo6ah 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I was assigned an E14 once. Compared to a T14: The case is all thick ABS. It weighs like 2.4 kg, and the weight is unbalanced. The USB-C charge only works at 20V, nothing less. While charging it overheats and spins up the fans. It came with a TN screen with terrible viewing angles, that could not be used in a brightly lit room. I didn't use the laptop for two months while I waited for a replacement screen from aliexpress. Keyboard is much thinner, the trackpoint drifts easily. Camera quality is worse, somehow it cannot handle sun-lit scenes. Microphone and speakers are similar to the T14. It stopped receiving firmware updates after two years. It uses about 0.5 W while suspended, so its tiny 48 Wh battery typically doesn't last the weekend with the lid closed. The motherboard has design issues, a missing protection diode in the headphone jack microphone input ended up frying the CPU due to a ground loop. Meanwhile the T14 has eaten the same ground loop and even a 48V passive PoE in an accident and dealt with it by rebooting. A T450 from 2015 is still running.
	▲	hackyhacky 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Spoiler: they are all identical hardware, but marketed differently.

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fainpul an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think I got it:

- E is for economy

- L is for loser

- T is for tank

- P is for power

- X is for executive

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eldaisfish 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Fine, but how is anyone supposed to divine all that nuance from a single letter?

As much as I hate Apple, they really do have product names down to a science.