Grammar at its best promotes clear communication but more often is used as a social tool of control and exclusion. When you are already talking to people within your in-group, that impulse isn’t necessary.

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z500 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Everyone uses grammar. What you're describing is elitism and elevating one particular dialect above all others.

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falcor84 2 hours ago | parent [-]

According to the wide definition of grammar, everyone uses some grammar, but nevertheless it's not a category error to say "*this sentence got grammar mistake".

When we speak about the grammar for a language/dialect we imply a prescribed "correct" grammar for a particular community of speakers.

	▲	ninalanyon an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> speak about the grammar for a language/dialect we imply a prescribed "correct" grammar Not prescribed, rather observed. At least in English where there is no language authority and dictionaries present usage. The situation is even stranger in Norway where there is a prescribed form but where dialects have essentially equal rights so that the prescription really applies only to formal written Norwegian.

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PaulHoule 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On some level. Thing is it is visible and everybody knows what the standards are, social mobility is possible under the sign of grammar.

If the game is wearing a $20k watch or understanding the covert signs of status that you might find in a particular community, that's something different.

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ekjhgkejhgk 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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kanbara 5 hours ago | parent [-]

people aren’t saying “aks” to make a public statement against you for whatever reason. they’re saying it because that’s how they learned to speak and the dialect of speakers who they were surrounded with.

yeah, people code switch, but i have come across many many people who just say things differently from the majority pronunciation. they’re not misunderstood and they can communicate just fine (see nucular vs nuclear). that’s just how language works, right

	▲	ekjhgkejhgk 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That IS how language works. However, people notice language a choose how to use language. I hear people say "ask" and people say "aks". I hear both, and I see there's a difference. In your mind people who say "aks" can't see there's two variants. Why not? You're being patronising. I think they do and they make a choice, like I do. I COULD start saying "aks" and choose not to. What next, are you going to argue that people who wear their pants down by their knees don't know that's not how you use pants? I think they know there's alternatives, and that's what they choose to do.