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U+237C ⍼ Is Azimuth(ionathan.ch)
147 points by cokernel_hacker 4 hours ago | 15 comments
tantalor 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I prefer to think these characters have an antimemetic field that causes anyone who learns their true meaning to forget shortly after.

theamk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

context: a follow up to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012865 (2022), a post which started the hunt for the mysterios origin of this unicode symbol.

Conscat 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's become of the most memorable threads on Hacker News to me. I definitely think about it at least once most weeks.

aleyan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a fantastic discovery! Displaying azimuth in my ascii-side-of-the-moon [0] sounds useful, but then I would need to explain the symbol. I am displaying altitude/elevation below horizon, but there doesn't appear to be standard symbol for it. I checked the tables linked from article and there doesn't seem to be a symbol for it.

Maybe this is the opportunity to invent and suggest a symbol for Altitude?

[0] https://aleyan.com/projects/ascii-side-of-the-moon

xvedejas 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Shouldn't it be the same symbol but turned 90 degrees? Seems to mimic the sextant operation if so. I've always used some set of greek symbols (theta, phi, maybe psi) for these kinds of angles.

vishnuharidas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“RIGHT ANGLE WITH DOWNWARDS ZIGZAG ARROW”: https://utf8-playground.netlify.app/237C

Lasang 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One of the interesting things about Unicode is how many symbols exist that almost no one encounters in normal software.

Every once in a while you run into something like this and realize the standard is not just for text encoding but also a kind of archive of specialized notation from different fields.

It makes you wonder how many other symbols are sitting in the table that are still mostly unknown outside the niche communities that originally needed them.

SlinkyOnStairs 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> how many symbols exist that almost no one encounters in normal software.

Unicode's entire point being to make "normal software" handle those symbols ;)

adolph 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Given it’s a table, one would be able to iterate over each, “be wrong on the Internet” about the character and wait for said niche communities to swoop in to make a correction.

tantalor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it can, of course, be turned sideways to measure an azimuth with respect to an arbitrary meridian

Ah, of course :)

foxglacier 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was wondering how much information was being lost whenever a font designer re-created that without knowing what it's supposed to be. It turns out they all put the arrow through the corner of the right angle which adds confusion by making it look like 3D cartesian axes. One of them made the zig-zag a curve which would be completely wrong by the sextant reason. But I guess this is how symbols and language drift over time.

RobotToaster 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Let's hope fonts will start correcting it to the original form

cookiengineer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I didn't know that this is a mystery?

A lot of old German sailor maps (e.g. from the Hamburg or Bremen maritime museum exhibitions) contain Azimutal angle descriptions. The globe on an azimutal map is projected from the North Star in the center.

This way you could more easily calculate the angles you would need to use the Sextant (which was focused on the brightest star, the North star). They also used circles (the tool) to calculate relative speeds, current drift etc with it.

I thought this was kind of common knowledge, as a lot of museums have that sorta thing for children in their exhibitions to try out.

poizan42 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Okay, but what does any of that have to do with knowing that the glyph at U+237C originated as a symbol for azimuth?

SAI_Peregrinus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The typographic symbol was the element in question, not what "Azimuth" is.