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Show HN: What's my JND? – a colour guessing game(keithcirkel.co.uk)
35 points by Keithamus 16 hours ago | 25 comments

https://www.keithcirkel.co.uk/too-much-color/

OisinMoran 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is fun! I just played once and got 0.0016, which it says is "absurdly below the theoretical limit"...

Okay, tried again and got 0.0034 which is still says is beyond the human limit! I'll have to give this to my mum because we often argue about colours and I suspect she might be a tetrachromat.

Both tests on a Pixel 10 btw

michaelteter 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0.0043.

But I think this kind of test can really be limited on your display and color profiles.

Most of my misses were on blues, but sometimes the line was obvious. Other times, I could “see” many phantom bars of slightly different colors.

And in bright sunlight, I can see variations in the film in my phone screen. I suspect this could affect a test like this.

vunderba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice job. Kind of reminds me of this one which increases the number of squares with the odd-one out becoming more subtle as you progress further in the game, but I prefer your sliding mechanic better for this kind of game.

https://vectorization.eu/color-perception-test

OisinMoran 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ooh this one is fun too! Though it doesn't get quite as hard as the slider one. Breezed through all 47 levels of this pretty easily while there were one or two impossible seeming ones in the slider.

hatthew 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To me this seems primarily like an aim test, not a color perception test

vunderba 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

It feels like a bit of both - the faster you're able to perceive the differing square, the faster you're able to navigate to it.

brikym 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice game very engaging. I got 0.0046

It helps if I move side to side like a party parrot. I'd love to see a histogram of where I stand.

zoklet-enjoyer 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was fun. I got 0.0039

This reminds me that there's a worlde like game for color mixing, I think someone posted it on HN a while ago colorfle.com

john_strinlai 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

surprisingly fun.

not knowing anything about color, i will admit i am a bit confused. i scored 0.0034 and was told "if you're not already calibrating displays for a living, you're leaving money on the table". which, to me, implied i did quite well!

but, reading the scores posted here, most people are doing a lot better than me. i doubt all of us are crazy good...

so, i assume the front page is a typo: "most people land around 0.02" (should be 0.002, not 0.02)? if yes, then i am back to not understanding the message i got about calibrating displays, because i did quite a bit worse than 0.002.

edit: nerd-sniping myself a little bit. but it appears (stressing: i know nothing) the "0.02" is accurate, but calculated by showing someone two colors and asking "are these different" until the person answers the question correctly 50% of the time. which is a different question than "where, precisely, is the line between these two colors". with the different question, it ends up compressing the result down by about an order of magnitude.

Keithamus 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Right. The average score is under different test conditions. Obviously this game is a little silly version with very little accuracy to the lab testing, but hopefully it gets people thinking about this stuff a bit more! Which given your investigations into this, I would say it has succeeded.

john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>[...] but hopefully it gets people thinking about this stuff a bit more! Which given your investigations into this, I would say it has succeeded.

absolutely! thanks for posting it and the associated article.

itishappy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm colorblind, but I ended up getting a 0.0028 "much better than average" score. Hmm... Fun site!

To promote some further reading:

OKLab isn't actually a perceptually uniform colorspace. It's better than others, but it was specifically chosen as a tradeoff between accuracy and speed (hence the name OK). When you start digging this deep, you quickly learn that we have yet to invent any perceptually uniform colorspaces; even the most precise models we have end up using fits and approximations. Color has some really inconvenient properties like depending strongly on brightness and background. Frankly, given the differences in human biology (having orders of magnitude differences in relative numbers of each cone, for instance), it's surprising we agree as much as we do! Human color perception is an endless pit of complexity.

(Note, I don't say any of this to detract from what you've built here, merely expand. Your site is awesome and I love it!)

vova_hn2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0.0025

Had to turn off the "Night Light" (reducing blue) and set brightness to max.

filmgirlcw 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is such a cool deep dive into CSS colors and color theory and finding the right way to mess with color values.

jaffathecake 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The associated deep-dive article is great https://www.keithcirkel.co.uk/too-much-color/

alexanderameye 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fun game! I could never quite clear the 0.0030 threshold. I wonder how much screen quality/calibration impacts it.

jaffathecake 15 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot. My scores:

- 0.0028 on my MacBook pro screen

- 0.0045 on my Dell monitor

- 0.0033 on my Pixel 10 pro

And those scores are pretty consistent.

filmgirlcw 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Super fun game! My best is 0.0018 but am usually in the ~0.0030 range

whalesalad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0.0028 -- I think a few of these surpassed the capabilities of my M2 air display.

dreday 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This takes something as nerdy as decimal places in CSS colors and turns it into a fun, practical read. It feels like you’re being walked through the rabbit hole by a friend who’s done way too much homework, then hands you a few simple rules you can actually remember and use.

stonedge 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is higher or lower "better"?

john_strinlai 4 hours ago | parent [-]

lower is better.

it is measuring the smallest color distance you can still detect. so a lower number means you can spot the difference between two more-alike colors.

Biganon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0.0023, but now my eyes are tired

zakki 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

is 0.0052 good or bad?

dreday 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought I was good at this but I can’t get under 0.0050. I blame my screen!

Very addictive, kudos to the dev