> seemingly bright idea

i disagree about that one.

im not a UX expert by any means but my first impression at WWDC seeing liquid glass was "holy shit, they pulled that off? i know apple would never compromise on legibility, so... how? there are so many situations where this won't work, and they can't exactly control the content that the buttons are overlaid on top of"

cue my confusion when it was exactly that: an obviously problematic idea implemented with all the obvious flaws showing up

they have largely fixed it now, half a year later, but the liquid glass isn't very liquid anymore. it's frosted. which is fine, but obviously not the original idea they were going for

contrasty backgrounds are fundamentally incompatible with legibility

"Clear issues caused by a seemingly bright idea, but the idea still pushed forward no matter what." .. well put. It occurs to me that this is the case on the HW front with Apple as well. I remember the butterfly keyboard, the notch, everything glued in and unservicable, the removal of ports like magsafe, ethernet, USB-A... well, at least some of the HW mis-steps have been reversed. We see some movement in that direction from the later versions of Tahoe.

This one has always confused me. And then, to be even more confusing, if you start sliding up slowly, the background does not disappear. It stays this time around. Pull down slowly, no background, just the glass effect. Pull up slowly, still have the background, no glass effect. I guess I don't necessarily hate it, it's more of a neutral thing, but who is deciding these strange things??

Yeah I found that surprising too and assumed it was a bug.

I see this kind of trend with apple since big sur. It's not new but it's becoming more obvious with every release.

Yes, for example Safari and Terminal have different radiuses. Most of the 1st party apps seem to be the same as Safari, so I guess Terminal didn't fully get "glassed".

> Are the Apple-owned app windows inconsistent too? I see some inconsistencies but it's generally 3rd party apps mixed with Apple's apps.

Does it matter if it's 3rd party apps or not? Wasn't a huge part of the sell with Apple's own GUI toolkits that all native apps work uniquely, but look familiar and like part of one and the same? The consistency and "all apps look and work great" I seem to recall being one of the "features" people used to tout about OSX.

FWIW; TFA compares the border radius of TextEdit and Calculator, both two Apple apps, built-in nonetheless.

Yes, I noticed this shortly after the update. I forget the specifics, but Apple first party apps definitely have this issue.

Some do, yes.

It's the lack of attention to detail, from a company who once was famous for its attention to detail.

And it seems they're lacking in many corners (scnr...)

You don’t need to care, but for the ones who do, Apple was one of the few vendors one could identify with. Attention to detail and craftsmanship was their motto.

It's like getting invited to dinner at a friend's house and you notice that half of the knifes and forks they put on the table are a bit dirty.

If they have managed to fumble something so basic then one can't help but extrapolate what the state of the rest is.

>for the life of my I can't understand why y'all care so much about this.

Because we fucking have to see it every day. And the sloppiness compounds and is indicative of further rot.

Of course the different radii also means different code paths were used, which points to a mess of APIs and frameworks underneath too.

And that's before we add the usability issues (like hard to read labels due to the glass effect and such, or bizare dragging boundaries, etc).

>Doesn't that seem a bit... particular?

Good software is about being particular.

If we wanted any random crap, we'd use any random crap.

I have to look at it all day, so no. What would you call bad software? Bad code? Electron? None of that has any meaningful effect on my day to day experience as a user. But no matter what apps I'm using, Apple's terrible design decisions are ever-present. It's like having dirty glasses.

There are people who have OCD and can’t help but seeing these things. It’s great for coding and seeing minor changes but its shit for real life - trust me.

The number of times auto update of some app has caused the thought process “but that wasn’t like that yesterday… or was it… hm… oh it was an update”. Just minor things, small mostly unnoticeable if don’t have an “eye for details”.