Wikipedia also has an exhaustive guide, though it's not fun finding tropes you use yourself (I'm very guilty of the false range "from X to Y" thing):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

Another one that seems impossible for LLMs to avoid: breaking article into a title and a subtitle, separated by a colon. Even if you explicitly tell it not to, it'll do it.

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malfist 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thats the thing about AI writing though. Those tropes are things humans do too. But like once or twice in an article. Not every single freaking paragraph

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glenstein 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I also think you can easily get overzealous with it and diagnose increasingly large percentages of ordinary human language as "tropified" due to being part of recognizable cadences. I think most of the things on the list are legit but I think it starts to get to a gray area where it's borrowing ordinary mannerisms of speech that aren't necessarily egregious.

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lucumo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, and it's a detection loop without feedback. You can never verify that a piece of work in the wild is actually AI. The poster is the only one who really knows, and they'll always say it's not.

This is a problem, because you can easily get stuck in a self-reinforcing loop. You feel strengthened in your convictions that you're good at ferreting out LLM-speak because you've found so much of it. And you find so much of it because you feel confident you're good at it. Nobody ever corrects you when you're wrong.

Combine that with general overconfidence and you get threads where every other post with correct grammar gets "called out" as AI generated. It's pretty boring.

There's a similar effect with contentious subject. You get reams and reams of posts calling the other side out for being part of a Russian/Israeli/Iranian/Chinese troll network. There's no independent falsification or verification for that, so people just get strengthened in their existing beliefs.

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grey-area an hour ago | parent [-]

At this point it’s pretty easy to detect unaltered LLM output because it is such bad writing. That will change over time with training I would hope. At some point I imagine it will be hard to tell.

I honestly don’t know what sites like this will do when that happens and the only way of detecting LLMs is that they are subtly wrong or post too much, we’d be overrun with them.

Not sure if we should be hopefully or fearful that they will improve to be undetectable but I suspect they will.

	▲	sebastiennight a few seconds ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I wouldn't say it's "bad writing", but rather that the sheer volume of it allows the attentive reader to quickly identify the tropes and get bored of them. Similar to how you can watch one fantastic western/vampire/zombie/disaster/superhero movie and love it, but once Hollywood has decided that this specific style is what brings in the money, they flood the zone with westerns, or superhero movies or whatever, and then the tropes become obvious and you can't stand watching another one. If (insert your favorite blogger) had secret access to ChatGPT and was the only person in the world with access to it, you would just assume that it's their writing style now, and be ok with it as long as you liked the content.
	▲	lucumo 11 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> At this point it’s pretty easy to detect unaltered LLM output because it is such bad writing. And yet people seem to still be terrible at that. Someone uses an em-dash and there's always a moron calling it out as AI. > I honestly don’t know what sites like this will do when that happens and the only way of detecting LLMs is that they are subtly wrong or post too much, we’d be overrun with them. My personal take is that it doesn't really matter. Most posts are already knee-jerk reactions with little value. Speaking just to be talking. If LLMs make stupid posts, it'll be basically the same as now: scroll a bit more. And if they chance upon saying something interesting then that's a net gain.

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o_____________o 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://git.eeqj.de/sneak/prompts/src/branch/main/prompts/LL...

	▲	smusamashah 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The very first heading in this doc was a giveaway even after your de LLM process 'The Em-Dash Pivot: "Not X—but Y"'. This title is so much AI like. I think it's the "The" in title which is putting me off and coming off as assigning unnecessary importance which is mentioned in the wiki.

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