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dgellow 3 hours ago

I understand the US economy is experiencing some… troubled times. However, 4.4% unemployment rate, while that’s an increase, sounds really low compared to other countries. Am I missing something?

bmitch3020 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

4.4% is the headline number, but there are other measures of unemployment [1] that show we are closer to 8% when you include people that are discouraged from even looking and those working part-time but would prefer a full time job.

There's also a stagnation of salaries relative to inflation and a slow hiring market that has people locked into a job when they'd like to find something better. The K-shaped recoveries have people slipping out of the middle class. Combine with housing increasing faster than inflation, future generations having a lower quality of life than their parents.

The wealthy are doing what they can to try to direct the narrative elsewhere, by controlling media sources, blaming immigrants, blaming China, and blaming the government. But we really have far too much wealth concentration to be sustainable, not unlike the ending of a game of monopoly. If a more stable solution isn't found soon, I fear things will get much worse than they already are.

[1]: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

mrtksn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US economy is robust, the problem is that people don’t have the same safety nets when out of work.

No job means no healthcare or reduced coverage for many people for example, so it is a bigger deal to have unemployment.

Which means a Finnish or Spanish level unemployment would be much more catastrophic, however anyone expecting the demise of USA will have to keep waiting as the country is very rich and developed and as a result they will re-group and be fine - eventually.

margalabargala an hour ago | parent [-]

The worst case for the US is a USSR style splintering. Many of the individual constituent states may come out the other end fine or better with time, but that doesn't make "the US" fine.

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HarryHirsch 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The U-3 rate does not include those that drove for Uber one hour in the month. The gold standard metric is labor participation rate of white men over 20, and that's not looking good: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300028

gruez 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

>The gold standard metric is labor participation rate of white men over 20

"gold standard"... according to whom? Economists? Internet commentators? White nationalists?

HarryHirsch 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Economists, of course - the confounder of discrimination is absent here. Recall: if something appears weird in the US, it's usually due to slavery.

alephnerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From TFA: "The fall was led by a drop in healthcare employment following widespread strikes by medical workers in New York, California and Hawaii"

sbochins 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re absolutely right. The labor market is still quite strong. All the doom and gloom from places like HN is coming from the many layoff announcements and fear of AI.

dgellow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn’t say the market is strong

Madmallard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or the reality, which is that the numbers are royally fudged and the statistic is a farce.

alephnerd 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not that numbers are a farce but different industry segments are doing better or worse than other.

HN being a tech forum that now increasingly skews East and Midwest (heck, it's not even 7am yet in the West, but look at the degree of engagement on here) means most HNers are impacted by a slowdown in tech hiring, which exacerbates the sense of pessimism.

And tbf, if you aren't working in a tech hub like the Bay or NYC, you are going to be screwed if you are laid off - employers increasingly restrict remote work to those employees who have proven internal track records, and inshoring hubs like in RTP, Denver, Atlanta, etc are on the chopping block.

butterbomb 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47277727

None of those are tech