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MediaSquirrel 3 hours ago

Nukes gave us peace and freedom.

We've had no WW3 (so far) and no one here needs to worry about being drafted into a war. Gatling might have thought his gun would reduce the number of war fatalities, but but Oppenheimer thought he would end the world. Both were wrong.

Alternative take: Inventors are bad at predicting the downstream societal effects of their inventions.

treebeard901 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let's assume a nuclear exchange happens at some point during a war. There is a very high chance that this will cause an escalation leading to a nuclear apocalypse.

Since this result is presumably inevitable at increasing frequency, it's more like nukes prevented another major world war and stole a form of peace from the future, temporarily. That peace debt might be repaid with the end of everything.

KronisLV 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_close_calls

nehal3m 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Funny how the unintentional close calls become more sparse with time. I wonder if that’s because humanity got better at dealing with the responsibility or because the oopsies haven’t been declassified yet.

testaccount28 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

let's assume the trees rise up and set fire to the ionosphere.

ares623 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

well whatever society is left will definitely be "peaceful" for at least a couple of decades.

jiehong 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It very much depends on where "here" is.

At least, it gives impunity to attack others with less fear of retaliation…

zabzonk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> no one here needs to worry about being drafted into a war

Lots of talk in the UK recently about conscription.

imjonse 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Croatia:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/croatia-r...

awjlogan an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I haven’t heard a peep about conscription, can you provide a source? There was some vague national service proposal for school leavers a couple of years ago, but that was it.

zabzonk an hour ago | parent [-]

Among many others: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2178935/uk-issued-conscrip...

imjonse 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> no one here needs to worry about being drafted into a war.

here meaning the US or HN?

wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nuclear weapons traded a high probability of a major war for a low probability of an apocalyptic war.

My question is, how low is that probability, exactly? Because the tradeoff looks very different if it’s one in a million per year, versus one in a hundred per year.

My assessment, looking at the history and the close calls, is that it’s more like one in a hundred.

9dev an hour ago | parent [-]

It certainly rises if the USA votes for an irresponsible crook.