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tylermcgraw 4 hours ago

This is the model for rare diseases that wouldn’t be profitable for pharmaceutical companies. Spinal muscular atrophy (sma) is another example that comes to mind.

david_shi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems insane that profitability so heavily dictates what is researched and what isn't.

silisili 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't mean to disagree with you in spirit, but profitability is pretty closely entwined with probability. So companies are chasing solving problems that more people have, even if it's for the wrong reason.

ehnto 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As the benefactor of an extremely rare disease, it's not exactly unfair when you look at it from a societal view. If you solve a higher probability problem, you are helping far more people.

The real tragedy isn't the allocation of the resources we have spare, it's that so many of our resources are not spare because billionares and corporations have hoarded it.

Without changing the percent of allocation, and only changing input resources by capturing it back from billionaires as taxes, we could be helping far more people including super rare diseases.

AdamN an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know how much longer it will last but the US government invests significant resources into rare diseases in order to improve outcomes where the normal market wouldn't otherwise support the r&d.

silisili 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Absolutely.

And if you take a step back and look at Covid spending, what it was spent on, and how much fraud was involved, it's absolutely maddening that the government isn't instead spending money on solving actual problems its constituents face. We basically just shoveled free money at anyone who claimed to have a business, to no real effect.

C'est la vie, I guess.

alex43578 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A metric other than profitability seems like a terrible target for private research which (outside of a charity or cause-driven org) needs to justify its expenses.

In the US alone, we have dozens of grants, programs, and funding sources for things like orphan/rare diseases.

johanvts an hour ago | parent [-]

Profitability works because it is/was a good proxy for utility. This breaks as wealth becomes unevenly distributed.

big-chungus4 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reason why it's less profitable is because it will help less people. If profitability didn't dictate what is researched, widespread diseases would get less researched and rare diseases - more researched, which would be a net negative.

heavyset_go an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IMO the issue isn't discovery and research, it's development. Unless companies foresee a good return for buying/licensing/etc rights to treatments, discovered drugs with potential just sit there.

What sucks is when drugs are deliberately not brought to market, but kept in portfolios, because it might impact sales of other existing cashcows. For example, Gilead has a history of staggering the release of new drugs only once their patents expire for similar drugs they already have on the market.

david_shi 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Didn't they also effectively cure Hep C?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

s1artibartfast 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I find it makes more sense if you drop the corporate analysis and just think about people.

Money motivates them and is why they go into hospitals or research labs instead of staying home with their family or friends.

Incipient 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's one reason why privatised health is rubbish. "profitable" treatments should be used, in part, to subsidise the cost of unprofitable ones.

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No medical system, public or private, has infinite money.

There will always be decisions made about which conditions get research and which don't. It's unlikely that a disease this rare would be prioritized by a purely government run system, either. There are too many more common diseases to address first.

AdamN an hour ago | parent [-]

It's a little bit the opposite. Private groups are focused on profits but there are gov programs to support the rare disease research that would otherwise go unfunded in a pure market system.

renewiltord 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I frequently tell people this. We can solve so many illnesses cheaply. Instead we should charge a lot of money and spend that money on things like haemophilia that affect a few people. Imagine a world where the flu vaccine and COVID-19 vaccine cost $1000 each shot. We could mandate it and then the enormous profits we make we could dedicate to things like this family's illness. All we need is for the government to take control and jack up the prices and then to make it illegal to not get the flu shot.

sokka_h2otribe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Uhh, you know you could skip the vaccine and just call it a tax..

renewiltord 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That wouldn't guarantee subsidization of expensive treatments by cheap ones and therefore is fascist.

yieldcrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> diseases that wouldn’t be profitable for pharmaceutical companies

I remember when that observation was discredited as a conspiracy theory

wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve never seen that discredited. Are you confusing the obvious fact that they won’t pursue unprofitable drugs with the much more dubious idea that they won’t pursue profitable cures because ongoing treatment is even more profitable?

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The dubious idea is that eliminating private medical care systems would open up a world of research into treating very rare conditions with high R&D costs.

If this was true, why wouldn't all of the countries with socialized medicine be doing it already?

paulryanrogers 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The US already was, and to since extent still does. Same in the UK and other parts of Europe. Government funds a lot of medical R&D.

Thank them for the fundamental research that lead to the COVID vaccine.

AdamN an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Where and when?

wjxgxey 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

pfft just illusion of control theatre for people who are scared of death. Throw in some opportunists exploiting it. Just watch what happens if there are unintended side effects. Its okay to die guys. Everyone does it. The sky doesnt fall.

silisili 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As much as I love this forum, the one thing I learned to never say is that it's normal and even good that people die (usually on threads about people trying to live forever).

I've never received such hateful responses on any other topic.

wjxgxey an hour ago | parent [-]

Keep saying it. They will get used to it. Just like the earth is round. Thats how they "learn" most things in the first place. Not by discovering it by themseleves, but through repeating what the majority around them say.

zdragnar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dementia is a terrible way to go, both for the people who get it and for their loved ones who are with them.

One day, my grandmother forgot English when my uncle was visiting and kept speaking in her native tongue and got so mad because nobody understood her.

That was one of the few amusing anecdotes from get decline. The rest are just depressing.

Watching your father cry because he went to the hardware store and couldn't remember how to get home and had to ask an employee to call his family for him, for example, was particularly tough.

wjxgxey 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You know why that happens? Because the health care system slows natural decay rate of some subsystems (via pills/surgeries etc) while having nothing to offer for other subsystems. So rather than all subsystems decaying together we produce this mismatched state.

zdc1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can't really blame the healthcare system for this. Alzheimer's and Dementia existed before modern medicine. The reality is that many fit, active, and otherwise healthy people will hit their 60s and 70s and will experience cognitive decline and Alzheimer's.

wjxgxey 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They hit their 60s and 70s because the health care system is good at fixing certain physical issues not bugs accumulating in the brain. The brain just like your OS cant just keep getting patched forever. So currently people just keep patching older wearing out hardware without any software upgrades available.

AdamN an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That would happen even if there was no medicine at all. It's not like in the natural world disease and dying is smooth. Individual systems fall apart and then the rest of the organism dies slowly or quickly.

temp_praneshp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's the response you have to the parent's anecdotes?

I hope that one day you are not sad and angry anymore.

david_shi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If everyone had this attitude we'd still be dying of tuberculosis and countless other diseases.