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jqpabc123 6 hours ago

LLMs have no idea what "correct" means.

Anything they happen to get "correct" is the result of probability applied to their large training database.

Being wrong will always be not only possible but also likely any time you ask for something that is not well represented in it's training data. The user has no way to know if this is the case so they are basically flying blind and hoping for the best.

Relying on an LLM for anything "serious" is a liability issue waiting to happen.

simianwords 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is easily proven incorrect. Just go to ChatGPT and say something incorrect and ask it to verify. Why do people still believe this type of thing?

tonypapousek 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s a shame of bulk of that training data is likely 2010s blogspam that was poor quality to begin with.

2god3 5 hours ago | parent [-]

But isn't that a reflection of reality?

If you've made a significant investment in human capital, you're even more likely to protect it now and prevent posting valuable stuff on the web.

2god3 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Aye. I wish more conversations would be more of this nature - in that we should start with basic propositions - e.g. the thing does not 'know' or 'understand' what correct is.

LarsDu88 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is about to change very soon. Unlike many other domains (such as greenfield scientific discovery), most coding problems for which we can write tests and benchmarks are "verifiable domains".

This means an LLM can autogenerated millions of code problem prompts, attempt millions of solutions (both working and non-working), and from the working solutions, penalize answers that have poor performance. The resulting synthetic dataset can then be used as a finetuning dataset.

There are now reinforcement finetuning techniques that have not been incorporated into the existing slate of LLMs that will enable finetuning them for both plausibility AND performance with a lot of gray area (like readability, conciseness, etc) in between.

What we are observing now is just the tip of a very large iceberg.

2god3 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Lets suppose whatever you say is true.

If Im the govt, Id be foaming at the mouth - those projects that used to require enormous funding now will supposedly require much less.

Hmmm, what to do? Oh I know. Lets invest in Digital ID-like projects. Fun.

LarsDu88 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is true. Here is the publication going over how to generate this type of dataset and finetune: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.14245

I don't think you grasp my statement. LLMs will exceed humans greatly for any domain that is easy to computationally verify such as math and code. For areas not amenable to deterministic computations such as human biology, or experimental particle physics, progress will be slower