Except that's exactly my point. You come to that DE, you don't want to modify and optimize every single nook and cranny. I mean sure, some do, but this is a vast minority. If Linux is to become truly popular desktop, it needs DEs like Gnome, aiming at those who are just fine with all the defaults curated for them.

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garciansmith 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does Gnome have Desktop icons again by default? Because if not then no, it's not fine for people moving from Windows or Mac.

	▲	Timon3 an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Or minimize and maximize buttons, which are BY FAR one of the most "basic" features desktop users expect?
	▲	microtonal 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Or system tray icons or application menus. I have used GNOME since forever, but it became barely usable. You can bring back most functionality with extensions, but they are very buggy.

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pseudalopex 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If Linux is to become truly popular desktop, it needs DEs like Gnome

Linux has a DE like GNOME. How many DEs like GNOME does it need?