I think it is already pretty clear to everyone, save a few scientistis who keep on preaching "we can prevent this!!!" that global warming will continue. I am all for being more energy efficient and what not, but the reality of the situation is that there are factors that are orthogonal to this - as well as a few states that sabotage everyone else. The USA in particular; the US government is by far the biggest troublemaker here. China and India are also troublemakers because they are so huge, although to be fair, China also invested a lot into green energy.

We need to adjust strategies here. The "zero emission" strategy failed; it is not practical. Politicians love them because they are in the media, but everyone sees that this strategy is not working. Same with carbon tax - it drove prices up but didn't really help much at all otherwise. We need to stop pursuing strategies that do not work here.

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amelius 14 hours ago | parent [-]

> We need to stop pursuing strategies that do not work here.

We tried top down. Didn't work.

We tried bottom up. Didn't work.

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rcMgD2BwE72F 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What did we even try? We did talk a lot though.

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vorticalbox 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i think the only real strategy is that people take a hit to their standard of living but i don't think anyone will sign up for that.

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00N8 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It would be a lot easier if the global population stabilized at around 1 billion. It's conceivable we could get down to that by bringing 3rd world areas up to 1st world standards in terms of women's rights, access to birth control, education, standard of living, etc., since developed nations have had declining birth rates for quite a while. But it's not a cheap or popular idea & would take several generations anyway.

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kulahan 7 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of things would be easier if 90% of people suddenly disappeared, but there is absolutely no sane scenario in which we actively chase such an unbelievably low population count.

The birth rates are declining in large part because of the expenses and time required to raise a kid these days. If life was perfectly easy for anyone to have a child, then the population increases. So, what - you’re going to kill extra children? Forcibly sterilize most? Purposely make life difficult so people lose interest?

This makes no sense at all.

	▲	00N8 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I didn't propose any of those things you mentioned & am strongly opposed to them. If I were proposing anything, it would be more along the lines of ending theocracies, increasing equality, access to education, birth control & abortion services, & creating a social safety net so people don't have to rely on having as many kids as possible to assist in subsistence farming. But like I said, none of this is a popular goal - especially not among billionaires or the global south - so my comment was more of an idle musing than anything resembling a proposal.

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yoyohello13 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They don’t need to sign up for it. It will happen regardless.

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ares623 11 hours ago | parent [-]

They'll just continue blaming immigrants.

	▲	amelius 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The immigrants who fled from the natural disasters in their country of origin caused by climate change.