>Just year ago, client told me to delete integration tests, because "they ran too long"!

Why are you surprised customers don't like spending money on the items that don't add business value. Add to that QA, documentation, security audits, etc.

They want to ship stuff that brings in customers and revenue day one, everything else is a cost.

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SideburnsOfDoom 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> integration tests, QA etc ... the items that don't add business value

They absolutely do add value / prevent loss, but you need some understanding in order to see that. Not seeing it is a marker of not understanding.

	▲	joe_mamba 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>They absolutely do add value Not to the non-technical bean counters. When they allocate money they want to see you prove how that extra money translates to an immediate ROI, and it's difficult to prove that in an Excel sheet exactly what the ROI will be without making stuff up on vibes and feels. Like at one German company i was at ~15 years ago, all the devs wanted a second 19" monitor on our workstations for increased productivity, and the bean counters wouldn't approve that because they wanted proof of how that expense across hundreds of people will increase our productivity and by how much %, to see if that would offset the cost. This is how these people think. If you don't bring hard numbers on how much their "line will go up", they won't give you money. I know this is difficult to understand from the PoV of SV Americans where gazillions of dollars just fall from the sky at their tech companies.