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tovej 17 hours ago

I have to strongly disagree.

I've met people who have never been in touch with organized religion. They generally have excellent ethical frameworks. I've also read the bible, it does not have a consistent moral or ethical framework.

How can it be that areligious people have ethics if they need god for ethics?

Ethics is all about being human, it does not require a god, and it does not require anyone to understand even what a human is, or what process led to us living life together. The subjective experience of life and the subjective experience of life in a society is all you need to develop ethics.

Tarq0n 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At this point theists often try to smuggle God back in as the source of morality through culture.

But I agree, empirically religion and moral behavior seem at best uncorrelated.

srean 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bible is quite permissive of killing if it's in the name of god. Genocide is quite a recurring theme.

Alan_Writer 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Even God told Abraham to kill his own son. Like, really?

godelski 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don't worry, it was just a test of Abraham's loyalty. God was never going to let him kill Isaac. It's the perfect example of a completely ethical thing to do to another person...

srean 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Some religious people would be nodding along in agreement not realising this is satire.

forty 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's for sure, it seems to be a pretty straightforward case of Poe's law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

srean 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not unlike a cartel head that rules by a mix of fear and gaslighting.

Many religious texts, not just the Bible start making a lot of sense when looked at like psyops.