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jedberg 21 hours ago

Gen-X was making the popular new art at the time. It was a strong reflection of the feelings of our generation. We were (maybe still are?) known for not liking authority.

GJim 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Gen-X was making the popular new art at the time. It was a strong reflection of the feelings of our generation.

I posted this in a thread about the 90's film 'Hackers'.....

In the 1990's and for us Gen-X'ers, the worst thing you could do was to sell out; to take the mans money instead of keeping your integrity. Calling people and bands 'sell outs' (sometimes without justification!) was to insult them.

With the rise of 'influencers' the opposite appears to be the case; people go out of their way to sell out and are praised for doing so. This is a massive change in the cultural landscape which perhaps many born in the 2000's aren't aware of. (Being aware of this helps give some perspective to Gen-X media and films like Hackers).

BTW: Remember the 'product scene' in the film Waynes World?

pixl97 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Ethics are easy when you can afford food.

Post 2000s there has been a pretty fundamental change in the US economy. Things like rent and food were far cheaper. There was also a lot of potential income to be made by individuals by connecting buyers and sellers. Typically if you wanted to sell something like a car, you either went to a dealer that screwed you, or you put and ad in the local paper. If you watched around you could quickly buy cheap cars and turn them quickly for more than enough profit to make it worth while.

The internet quickly flattened this. First by pulling all the buyers and sellers on one advertising site it quickly turned into the fastest with the most capital won. Then the sites themselves figured out they should be the middle man keeping buying up the stock and selling it.

There has also been a huge consolidation to just a few players in many markets. This consolidation and many times algorithmic collusion has lead to the general ratcheting of prices higher. When you start adding things in like 'too big to fail' the market becomes horrifically unbalanced to large protected capital with unlimited funds from the money printing machine.

It's no wonder we quickly dropped ethics, most of us would starve to death in the system we've created.

GJim 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> Post 2000s there has been a pretty fundamental change in the US economy.

American centrism strikes again.

I'm not American.

nytesky 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reality Bites captures the zeitgeist well.

I think the money craze that came with dot.com, War on Terror spending, housing bubble, really flipped people into money at all costs.

pjmlp 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As Gen-Xer I fully agree, I don't get the way things are with obedience, the rediculous situation that American families can lose their kids by having them playing alone in the garden, how everyone sells out for money (Punk would not happen today), the always smile and say no negatives at work being rediculous false (this one really drives me crazy),....

dhosek 19 hours ago | parent [-]

And yet Gen X is the demographic that fell hardest for Trump.

benterix 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is not true:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

rkomorn 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm confused. The poll shows ages 45-64 had the highest percentage of Trump voters (54%).

Is that not confirming that Gen X (1965-1980, so ages 44-59 in 2024) was the most pro-Trump?

pjmlp 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was it? I am not on US.

If anything it is all about boomers, gen z and rednecks on YT and TikTok when going over MAGA and Project 2025 videos.

As far as I am aware, the people that didn't gave a damm to elections and ignored their right to vote, are the main reason.

bdangubic 15 hours ago | parent [-]

this isn’t true either, 2024 election saw the highest number of people voting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...

pjmlp 14 hours ago | parent [-]

So what happened to those 34.7% voters that had better things to do than cast a vote?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-pre...

bdangubic 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The exercised their rights not to vote. The “losing” side always thinks that higher turnout would have led to them “winning” which of course is a cry of a sore loser. The fact remains, 2024 election had the highest voter turnout ever and people have spoken (till the next one when we might get a chance to elect some adults to fix this shit)

ryandrake 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When you don't vote, you're really just voting for "whoever happens to win". So I count the non-voters among (R) supporters, or at least as "OK with Trump". Otherwise, they would have voted.

WorldMaker 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Abstentions can be the most powerful vote, and with great power should come great responsibility. That's often not taught well enough in schools.

Abstentions can seem the laziest vote sometimes, but that doesn't diminish their power nor their responsibility. It is a freedom to be allowed to cast an abstention. Real democracy needs to allow for abstentions, especially explicit abstentions.

(In recent primaries there have been races where I have explicitly cast an abstention. No one will have read my "I don't care who wins this primary, I care who wins the general election" statements, but they are statements to be made. Right now some of the "strategy" in the US two-party system is one-party poisoning the primary vote of the other party by inflaming it with in-fighting in ways that leak into the general election. You have a harder time to win general elections when your candidate is already on fire coming out of the primary. "It doesn't matter who wins, let's stop in-fighting," is a message I can try to write on the ballot, even if not enough people hear it, it feels like the more powerful and responsible vote.)

The goal shouldn't be to get to 100% of people voting in every election, the goal should be to educate people that not voting is tacitly accepting the results of other people's votes. The goal should be teaching people that abstentions are a freedom, a right, a privilege, and should be treated as powerful and treated with responsibility.

hax0ron3 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think that makes sense. If Harris had happened to win through some minor change in the timeline (she came very close after all), would those people whom you call R supporters instead somehow be D supporters, just because of that minor change in the timeline?

As for "OK with Trump", I think that describes some non-voters. However, there are also non-voters who are more accurately described as "not OK with either side, indeed dislike both sides so equally that neither one seems like the slightly better option".

There is also the factor of swing states. In most of the US, your vote for President pretty much doesn't matter. You almost might as well just put it in the trash. The vote in your state is, barring a massive political shift, locked in for one of the two major candidates. Now, yes, you can still send a message by voting in a non-swing state. But it's understandable why some people would just not bother to vote in a state where the outcome is almost predetermined.

actionfromafar 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's a next time? I wouldn't bet on it.

bdangubic 11 hours ago | parent [-]

every year we hear the same thing but wheels keep on turning. we will vote again, we will make more mistakes in 2026/28/30... this "there will be no election" comments are quite silly in my opinion, America gets stupid from time to time but we get the fuckers out and try something else (which inevitably leads to some progress followed by more failure followed by...).

Just remember it always comes down to - "it is the economy, stupid" - and economy is in absolute shambles and will get a lot worse before November and it'll be a massacre for the ruling part much like in 2018

actionfromafar 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I hope you are right, and that ICE isn't outside polling stations come November, pulling you away (just to "check your ID" for a couple of days, you know!) if you are a registered Democrat or look too brown or gay.

wartywhoa23 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Gen X is the demographic that doesn't believe that elections are anything else but a clown show.

bonesss 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Based only on lived experience.