| ▲ | mempko a day ago |
| Long time ago I worked for a company that I learned was selling it's software to help target people during the Iraq war. I quit because I cannot support building software that kills people. This is a message to people working for that line of business at Anthropic. You don't have to do it, you can quit. If you are helping this insane administration to conduct war on Iran quit. You don't need to have that kind of blood on your hands. I saw a someone's hypothesis that a generative model was used to help classify buildings to decide what to bomb and that the Girls school was misclassified. If this was an Anthropic model, I can imagine what it feels like being a worker there in that line of business. |
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| ▲ | ryandrake a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I've also quit a job where the products I was working were meant to be deployed to CBP to hunt down immigrants. It's a nice gesture, but it won't stop these companies. They just hired someone else without an ethical backbone, and continued the project like nothing happened. Tech leadership is rotten to the core, and that can't be fixed by individuals making a stand. |
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| ▲ | pinnochio 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree it won't fix the problem, but marginal drops in labor supply and skill can still have an impact. | |
| ▲ | tombert 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've quit jobs and been laid off from jobs and I will admit that when I do, I always kind of hope that the company goes bankrupt the day after I leave because I was so important. Companies I've quit or been laid off have gone bankrupt, but it took years and sadly I don't think there's any way for me to draw a logical connective of "no tombert -> company fails". I've never quit a company on purely ethical grounds, but I have turned down interviews and offers because of them. They're probably not going to go bankrupt just by not hiring me, but I like to think that making it incrementally harder to find talent slows down their progress of doing evil things, if only a little. That's probably still a delusion of grandeur on my end, but we all should have an ethical line that we won't cross; most of us end up working for monsters and/or assholes, especially at BigCos, so your options generally boil down to "work for an asshole who's doing evil that you can live with" or "go live in a Unabomber shed". I guess it's important to make sure that "the evil thing you can live with here" isn't just any act of evil. | |
| ▲ | small_model 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or someone with a backbone, i.e. willing to enforce the law. | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > They just hired someone else without an ethical backbone Or who simply had a different point of view than you. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, a point of view without an ethical backbone, at least in the context of American society. I suppose they could be a Chinese or Russian national considering it ethical to harm the United States, but I don't see a point of drawing that distinction. | | |
| ▲ | kortilla 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Being blanket against CBP is a position without an ethical backbone. It’s just a childish burying head in the sand. Every semi stable country enforces its immigration laws and checks passports of visitors. Claiming the US doing so is somehow unethical is completely misaligned with a sustainable welfare and government services system. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem is not the roles, but how those roles are carried out and the complete lack of accountability. It's difficult for citizens to believe that government agencies are noble endeavors when we see ever-creeping anti-Constitutional scope, and rampant unpunished criminality among their members. It would be fantastic if this weren't the case, of course. Unfortunately the only check mechanic we the People seem to have is to consider them hostile entities best avoided until they're drastically reformed. | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't see masked thugs harassing citizens in other countries. Maybe the problem isn't that immigration is enforced, its how they are doing it? Both Obama and Biden deported more people than Trump. |
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| ▲ | kakonako 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I too quit a job that made a significant pivot to weapons R&D. It was a hard move, and honestly I still haven't recovered from it. I don't regret the decision in the slightest though. One aspect that sticks with me was the sheer excitement of a lot of people in the room, engineers excited to be working on new problems. I believe many didn't consider the consequences of their labor. As a worker it can take time for it to sink in that the products you are actively working on are being used for immoral/unethical purposes. I've also noticed a perceived weakness when expressing these types of views to colleagues, responses either masked by apathy or just direct justified destruction of lives along patriotic or ideological lines. Its worth bringing up these stories whenever appropriate I believe, people sometimes _need_ a jolt even if the probability of success are low. |
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| ▲ | gentleman11 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| if all the good people leave all the important positions, what will happen? |
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| ▲ | skybrian a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At a technical level, I don't believe they're specifically working on targeting anyone. They're providing a general-purpose API that Palantir is presumably using to build the target-finding software. I imagine that's why the implementation got so far along before this blew up. Someone at Anthropic talked with someone at Palantir and they had a "you did what? Did you read the contract terms" moment, and that was after it went into production. |
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| ▲ | khazhoux 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Normally I'd agree with this sentiment, but I'm having a hard time feeling bad we took out the Ayatollah. You know, what with him killing tens of thousands of Iranians who demanded reform. I didn't care one bit for him doing that. |
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| ▲ | camillomiller a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Were you earning seven figures tho?
That suppresses moral stances rather quickly I reckon |
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| ▲ | fwip a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Perhaps. It should do the opposite though - you've likely got enough in the bank that you don't need to work a day in your life again. | |
| ▲ | mempko a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is a reason they call it 'fuck you money' |
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