| ▲ | simonw a day ago |
| Raised an eyebrow a little at this sentence: "Anthropic has much more in common with the Department of War than we have differences." |
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| ▲ | DesaiAshu a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| The Department of Defense was named as such after the detonations of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki We - as a humanity - collectively recognized the weight of our creation, and decided to walk back Discussing “AI alignment” in the same breadth as aligning with a “Department of War” (in any country) is simply not an intellectually sound position None of the countries we’ve attacked this year pose an existential threat to humanity. In contrast, striking first and pulling Europe, Russia, and China into a hot war beginning in the Middle East surely poses a greater collective threat than bioweapons, sentient AI, or the other typical “AI alignment” concerns Why aren’t there more dissidents among the researcher ranks? |
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| ▲ | ap99 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Technology and national defense are 100% part of the same conversation. I'm not saying the government can't overreach or over control, but if I or you or any of us were in charge of the defense of a country then we'd want to make sure technology from our country at the very least wasn't used to hurt us and if possible used to help us. That's what alignment means and it's totally reasonable. | |
| ▲ | __MatrixMan__ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Among those who would resist, half would've done so outwardly by now and been fired, the other half would be hiding their activity. In both cases we wouldn't be hearing about them now. | |
| ▲ | noosphr 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >We - as a humanity - collectively recognized the weight of our creation, and decided to walk back We ran out of bombs actually. If there had been more bombs there would have been more bombings. | | |
| ▲ | zamadatix 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It wasn't that the US ran out, a 3rd bomb could have been dropped within two weeks of the first 2 had Japan not surrendered after the initial round https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Event... | | |
| ▲ | noosphr 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It needed to be built first. The us had no bombs left. | | |
| ▲ | zamadatix 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The bomb was built with decision to delay shipment until the 13th to see if Japan surrendered. On the 13th no word had come, but the shipment was further delayed to wait for word anyways. On the 14th word of Japan's decision to surrender was announced. https://www.marshallfoundation.org/articles-and-features/gen... Had the bomb already been shipped, nothing about these delays suggests it would have instead been dropped before surrender instead of just delayed there. In reality, the pause sources from when Truman intervened immediately after Nagasaki (which was bombed on the 9th, Hiroshima previously on the 6th) by the 10th in hopes of unconditional surrender instead. Had Japan not surrendered for some reason (they had more going south at the time than just the nukes) the US may well have dropped a 3rd bomb over another approach. That said, I'll give due credit to Truman that the activity was paused on hopes of surrender first rather than waiting for the next one to arrive. | |
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| ▲ | tw04 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Why aren’t there more dissidents among the researcher ranks? Because they’ve likely all lost faith in humanity watching Trump get reelected and now just want to get rich and hope to insulate their families from the reality we’re all living in. | | |
| ▲ | sph 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not disagreeing with you but “I lost all faith in humanity so I might as well run the gas chambers” is the delusion of a psychopath and completely inexcusable. |
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| ▲ | ap99 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nazi Germany and Hitler didn't pose an existential threat to Europe until they did pose a threat. And even then you had politicians like Chamberlain in the UK who wanted to make peace because the UK wasn't directly threatened (this is after much of Europe was under siege). | | |
| ▲ | jfaat 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which of the countries that the US has recently attacked are you comparing to Nazi Germany? |
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| ▲ | PostOnce a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Let me rephrase it for you: "We both want a docile American public who go along with our desires so we can achieve goals that may be contrary to the interests of the American public." |
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| ▲ | 6thbit a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My eyebrows basically left my face after reading the whole thing. This is not the forbidden love story I would've asked for. |
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| ▲ | felipeerias 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As someone looking at this from outside the US, the whole sequence of events is frankly terrifying. I fear that frontier AI is going to be nationalised for military purposes, not just in the US but across the globe. At the same time, I really don’t know what Anthropic were expecting when they described their technology as potentially more dangerous than an atom bomb while agreeing to integrate purpose-built models with Palantir to be deployed in high-security networks for classified military tasks. |
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| ▲ | swed420 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good cop/bad cop has proven very effective at manufacturing consent. The two political parties of capital interests have it down to a science. This is just the AI iteration playing out. |
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| ▲ | fluidcruft 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well I will say that if there's a word that describes what the Department has been up to in Venezuela and Iran, "Defense" does seem to be the least Orwellian option. |
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| ▲ | sgustard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Would love to enumerate those commonalities. Run by a psychopath? Commitment to violent lethality? Burning billions of dollars for uncertain goals? (ok there's one) |
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| ▲ | iJohnDoe 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I was actually very impressed with their post. It’s a work of art for how carefully it was worded. My takeaway is that they are bending a knee to smooth things over. It’s business and it’s human behavior. They are actually furious and would love to tell Trump to crawl up his own ass, but that doesn’t help anyone in the long run. It’s in everyone’s best interest to get back to work and hope for the best tomorrow. It’s the adult thing to do. However, it's exactly why humanity is the shitshow it is right now. One side is trying to keep the world going by adulting while the other side keeps acting like complete fucking idiots. |
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| ▲ | throwaway132448 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just be mindful that you filled in the gaps between the lines with what you wanted to read, not necessarily what's true. | | |
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