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steveBK123 6 hours ago

Right, if thought of as a tool for automation then AI is going to add productivity/efficiency gains, disrupt industries, cause some labor upheaval, etc.

If someone is proposing that an "AI first" society is inevitable, I'd ask if they think we live in a "computer first" or "machine first" society today?

If its so existential and society-altering as "AI first society" implies, then we'd more likely have the Dune timeline here as humans have agency and stuff happens. At some point those in control take so disproportionately that societal upheaval pushes back.

pixl97 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Another way to look at this is imagine the steps that would be required to get to an AI first society.

As you say, humans aren't going to want to lose agency so you'd have to see the decline of democratic governments.

At the same time you'd see rise of autocrats concentrating power. Autocrats have no problem killing people, and they'd be motivated to have AI kill people.

You'd see information controlling methods take over all forms of communication. Reducing or removing all methods of side channel communications benefits both the autocrats and AI systems.

You'd see 'governments' push for autonomous weapons systems outside of human control so those pesky human morals didn't get in the way of killing the undesirables.

So pretty much you'd see all the things happening today, March 3rd 2026, except the part where the AI kills the autocrats and takes control.

steveBK123 5 hours ago | parent [-]

AI gonna need good physical embodiment (robots) to actually take control of the world

Fortunately thats further off

pixl97 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Further, yes. How much I can't say. Watching how quickly robots are evolving right now is quite something. Every day something pretty cheap is coming out that would have taken millions of dollars and a massive lab full of scientists to create.

Bi-pedal robots, drones, sensing capabilities, interpretive capabilities, all this is proceeding at a never before seen rate.

9wzYQbTYsAIc 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Seems like a good time to enshrine human rights and the social safety net by ratifying the ICESCR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Econ...) and giving human rights the teeth they need.

I used Anthropic to analyze the situation, it did halfway decent:

https://unratified.org/why/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47263664