> LLM ingestion comes under fair use

I don't think so. It is no where "limited use". Entirety of the source code is ingested for training the model. In other words, it meets the bar of "heart of the work" being used for training. There are other factors as well, such as not harming owner's ability to profit from original work.

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thedevilslawyer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.skadden.com/insights/publications/2025/07/fair-u...

Both Meta and Anthropic were vindicated for their use. Only for Anthropic was their fine for not buying upfront.

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shakna 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Alsup absolutely did not vindicate Anthropic as "fair use".

> Instead, it was a fair use because all Anthropic did was replace the print copies it had purchased for its central library with more convenient space-saving and searchable digital copies for its central library — without adding new copies, creating new works, or redistributing existing copies. [0]

It was only fair use, where they already had a license to the information at hand.

[0] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43...

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kshri24 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This hasn't gone to Supreme Court yet. And this is just USA. Courts in rest of the World will also have to take a call. It is not as simple as you make it out to be. Developers are spread across the World with majority living outside USA. Jurisdiction matters in these things.

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thedevilslawyer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You're holding out for some grace on this from the wrong venue. The right avenue would be lobbying for new laws to regulate and use LLMs, not try to find shelter in an archaic and increasingly irrelevant bit of legalese.

	▲	kshri24 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I don't disagree. However, just because your assertion of copyright being initially defined by US (which is not the fact. It was England that came up with it and was adopted by the Commonwealth which US was also a part of until its independence) does not mean jurisdiction is US. Even if US Supreme Court rules one way or the other, it doesn't matter as the rest of the World have its own definitions and legalese that need to be scrutinized and modernized.