What about pip? It's either installed or immediately available on many OSes

Fabricio20 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

pip might be but it was historically super inconsistent (at least in my experience). Is it `pip install`? `python3 -m pip install`? maybe `pip3 install`? Yeah ubuntu did a lot of damage to pip here. npm always worked because you had to install it and it didnt have a transition phase from python2 being in the OS by default.

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jitl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

system pip w/ sudo usually unleashes Zalgo, i’d rather curl | bash but npm is fine too. it’s just about meeting people where they’re at, and in the ai age many devs have npm

if you build for the web, no matter what your backend is (python, go, rust, java, c#), your frontend will almost certainly have some js, so likely you need npm.

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piperswe 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

`pip install` either doesn’t work out of the box or has the chance to clobber system files though

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nikanj 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is about eight years old. The python situation has mostly gotten worse since https://xkcd.com/1987/

	▲	jitl 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		python packaging / envs is solved now by uv. its not promising or used by people in the know like the last 2 trendy python package managers. i was a big time python hater since it was a pita to support as a devtools guy but now its trivial. uv just works, it won.
	▲	a_t48 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What? It’s much much better now, you can just use uv. Yeah, it’s yet another package manager, but it does it well.