>> This is a quite scary map.

It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime.

I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pulled out at gunpoint and detained) against a car they got a hit on - only to find out the person they really wanted wasn't driving or even in the car at all.

What's interesting is businesses and houses have so many cameras nowadays that the first thing cops do when they get to the scene of a violent crime is canvas the area for camera's. So yeah, you can avoid FLOCK, but there are most likely hundreds of other camera's that will capture you driving through any given area.

▲

Firerouge 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you have a source to your Bryan claim?

If you look at the map, there are zero flock cameras reported in that region.

None in Moscow Idaho where the murder happened, none in Pullman where he lived, and none showed between the locations.

▲

zythyx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's a disclaimer when you first open the page that the map is incomplete and that users need to submit the data. It's possible that data hasn't been submitted/parsed yet

	▲	Firerouge 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's possible, but I can't find a corroborating news report, and it's the first I've heard this claim made about that case.

▲

FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can't rely on Flock's "transparency" reports either, they're woefully inadequate. In our County, the Sheriff spoke of a PD in the County getting a Flock hit. It was news to many, including Flock's transparency site, that that PD was a user of their services.

So I'm not overly surprised by this.

▲

ghouse 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But the cameras that the law enforcement officers canvas in the area aren't centrally aggregated and tagged with meta data such that they can be queried at scale.

▲

ImPostingOnHN 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There have been numerous instances where cops used it to stalk exes, etc. If it isn't already, it will be used to stalk a blacklist of dissidents. It will continue to happen as long as the system exists.

▲

nullsanity 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[dead]

▲

birdo-wordo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like it's working as intended. These systems don't track people, they provide objective clues and evidence.

	▲	Ajedi32 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		By tracking everyone at all times.

▲

xXSLAYERXx 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop

At what point do we accept that all systems are flawed? There could be many variables as to why the perp wasn't in the car. Maybe the perp stole the car. Maybe the perp borrowed the car. Maybe these systems do not work well in fog etc etc. I don't know how we're supposed to advance technology that makes us safer without getting into these muky situations from time to time.

▲

mainmailman 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why do anything at all?

	▲	xXSLAYERXx an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Why even deploy such systems? I would support less for sure.

▲

mulmen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Technology is a means to an end, not the end itself. If you can’t make it safe then don’t deploy it.

	▲	xXSLAYERXx an hour ago \| parent [-]
		There must be some level of acceptable failure.