>They would not have put out this macbook if it was going to be a subpar experience.

"You're holding it wrong" - Steve Jobs

Apple has put out plenty of subpar experiences in the past, and there's no reason they wouldn't do it in the future.

thewebguyd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And despite antenna gate, the iPhone 4 was still the best smartphone of that year and leaps ahead of it's closest competition (the Galaxy S), and remained the #1 best selling smartphone at year after launch

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leptons 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You can only buy hardware that runs Apple software from Apple, but Android mobile devices far outsell Apple devices and always have. Apple is and always has been a minority player in the overall smartphone market (and desktop/laptop as well).

Globally, Android has had about 70% to 75% market share, and Apple has always had a much smaller slice of the total. iPhones are not as popular as you seem to think they are. You don't have to believe me, the data proves it:

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide/...

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thewebguyd 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the iPhone 4 was the single most purchased smartphone model in the US between 2010 and 2011 (during antenna gate that we are talking about).

Android has the majority share because "Android" is anything from a $100 piece of junk to a $1200 phone. If you look at only the premium market, Apple holds ~70% market share.

Despite antenna gate, it still sold plenty, which proves the point about brand trust that the thread was about.

If the brand equity wasn't there, the Galaxy S would have out sold the iPhone 4, but it didn't, it sold half as much.

	▲	leptons 29 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the iPhone 4 was the single most purchased smartphone model in the US between 2010 and 2011 Are you trying to give Apple some kind of tech participation trophy? Because that's all you're doing. >If you look at only the premium market, Apple holds ~70% market share. Sure, Apple is a luxury brand, and so not many people can afford it. Nor should they be spending the ridiculous amount of money Apple normally charges. >Despite antenna gate, it still sold plenty, which proves the point about brand trust that the thread was about. Reality distortion field still in effect in 2026. >If the brand equity wasn't there, the Galaxy S would have out sold the iPhone 4, but it didn't, it sold half as much. I don't care about brands as much as you seem to, that much I'm sure about. Your precious Apple could never do you wrong, we get it.

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kettlecorn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple certainly puts out experiences that leave much to be improved but to be pedantic the word 'subpar' implies below the 'par'. If 'par' is set by Microsoft then Apple easily clears it.

Nowadays Chromebooks offer more design competition for Apple, and even historically Linux distros have had more ideas for Apple to learn from than Microsoft.

	▲	leptons 28 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>If 'par' is set by Microsoft then Apple easily clears it That's clearly subjective. What you will accept from Apple is unacceptable to others as garbage, the same as you dismiss anything from Microsoft. >Linux distros have had more ideas for Apple to learn from than Microsoft. And yet Apple just copied Windows Vista with their "glass" monstrosity that is universally hated and has been lambasted widely. Again, you may love that, but that would put you in the minority.

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alwillis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> "You're holding it wrong" - Steve Jobs

> Apple has put out plenty of subpar experiences in the past, and there's no reason they wouldn't do it in the future.

Come on—that was 16 years ago! Y'all gotta let some things go after a while.

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leptons 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay... how about, Apple put the charging port on a wireless mouse on the bottom of the mouse.

I could go on, and on...

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alwillis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As they say "past performance does not guarantee future results".

That version of the Magic Mouse is also over 10 years old…

	▲	leptons 29 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Apple's "glass" UI update debacle should be evidence enough to quash any argument you could make. Their current performance leaves a lot to be desired, everyone hates "glass".