The unstated but obvious (to me?) goal of what ICE is doing is not to get large numbers of people out of the country, but to drive costs down for migrant labor by further disenfranchising them, making them scared, marginal, etc.

If they actually thoroughly evicted non-status migrant workers they'd have a outright revolt on their hands from farmers and other businesses that depend on them.

Instead those businesses can now take further advantage of the fear of harassment and/or deportation to drive down compensation and rights.

Contrast with countries like Canada that have a legal temporary foreign agriculture worker program that provides a regulated source of seasonal migrant farm worker labour under a non-citizen temporary status, but with some rights (still often abused). It's notable to me as a Canadian that I don't see this being advocated on any large scale by either party in the US.

Anyways, all this just to say that the jackboot clown theater is the point, not a side effect.

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plorkyeran 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Limiting the supply of migrant labor drives costs up, not down, and the ICE raids have had a significant negative effect on businesses reliant on illegal immigrants.

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cmrdporcupine 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you have numbers on how many migrant farm workers have actually been deported or detained?

Because going around and harassing and deporting other or non-essential non-status immigrants would drive labor costs down because of the chill it would put through those who are grudgingly tolerated.

And besides, given the quality of personality ICE seems to be employing even (especially) at its highest levels, I simply assume there's corruption such that if I'm a large orchard or whatever I simply pay ICE to stay away.

	▲	Uhhrrr 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://www.brookings.edu/articles/macroeconomic-implication... "There was a significant drop-off in entries to the United States in 2025 relative to 2024 and an increase in enforcement activity leading to removals and voluntary departures. We estimate that net migration was between –10,000 and –295,000 in 2025, the first time in at least half a century it has been negative."

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reactordev 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They do have a revolt on their hands from farmers… go watch some of their pleas for help.

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cmrdporcupine 7 hours ago | parent [-]

It's nothing like it would be if ICE was actually doing substantially more than fascist theater.

There'd be no food on the tables, frankly. And people in Silicon Valley would have messy houses and algae in their pools.

	▲	reactordev 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Honestly think it’s just a matter of resources and they would rather play theater for their leader than actually do the job. However, the effect has been felt. Soybean farmers are screwed.
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