| ▲ | ljsprague 5 hours ago |
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| ▲ | Jcampuzano2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The reality is - it doesn't matter. The fact that they have had as many false positives as they have and the way they treat people in general causes it to have rippling effects even for people who are legally here, or are considering legally immigrating. The risk and level of publicity is just too high for many people to even consider, especially people already intelligent/capable enough to immigrate anywhere else that doesn't have these issues or stay in their own country. |
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| ▲ | 0x3f 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Have they had a lot of false positives? Almost every story I see seems to fall apart on further investigation. To be clear, I'm sure they have some false positives, but do they have a lot of them relative to any other immigration system? | | |
| ▲ | Terr_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends, how are we defining "false positive"? Ex: 1. Detained the incorrect person 2. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status 3. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status, but in unlawful circumstances 4. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status, in ostensibly-lawful circumstances, but in a way which is unconstitutional or crazy An example of the final category are the immigrants that spent years being vetted, following the law, and doing expensive paperwork to be citizens. ICE snatched them when they showed up on at the last second as they were to take their citizenship oath. [0] Not because of anything they did, but because today's Republican party has decided that it's OK to hurt people based on their "shithole" country of birth. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/30/us-citizensh... | | |
| ▲ | 0x3f 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | These are all forms of false positives but the most popular news stories seem to be where they detain the correct person, correct legal status, lawfully, and the story happens to gloss over the facts about the legal status and focuses on the hardship. Yeah, it's a hardship to be split from your family, I can't deny that. But I'm not aware that most countries are very sympathetic to illegal immigrants. If anything I find the stories featuring white/European people oddly racist because they seem to assume that I, the reader, will assume a white/European person couldn't possibly be in violation of immigration rules. But all the ones I've read turned out that they were indeed in violation of immigration rules. Overall as a potential immigrant to the US myself, I find the process capricious and that US citizens by birth don't fully appreciate how painful it is or why it shouldn't be that way. But I don't find it notably worse or more onerous than the vast majority of immigration policies of other countries in practice. | | |
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| ▲ | 4RealFreedom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "especially people already intelligent/capable enough to immigrate anywhere else that doesn't have these issues or stay in their own country" Isn't that the point? Come here legally or don't come at all. | | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The "legally" part is redefined on the whims of a dictator on a weekly basis. |
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| ▲ | gaoshan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, all of the specific cases I heard about were Chinese people that were naturalized citizens (some for decades) who were cuffed and detained for a few hours before being released. As others have said it doesn't really matter, though. It's the sentiment that counts. |
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| ▲ | Conscat 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Even if you're not likely to be deported from a foreign country, you wouldn't want to face frequent gang intimidation tactics, would you? Simply feeling threatened isn't fun, even if nothing truly terrible will happen to you (not to speak of the real risk in being detained regardless). |
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| ▲ | mattnewton 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sometimes, often times no. They have detained multiple US citizens. |
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| ▲ | misnome 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Who cares when you get a bonus per person either way? |
