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| ▲ | NoLinkToMe 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Only if you want to take notes with a pen and prefer digital over paper. For me that's terrible, but some kids swear by it. I think if I grew up on it, it'd be different. Homework for things like algebra and later calculus definitely is interesting to do on an iPad, as the ratio of time spent thinking:writing is high while you're learning. But pure notetaking where the thinking:writing ratio is very low? I'd much prefer to type than write on a screen. |
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| ▲ | alpaca128 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As an iPad owner I would probably use it for taking handwritten notes if the handwriting recognition was reliable enough for text search. But it's not, and the search feature in Apple Notes is the absolute minimum to be called "search". It can only search from the beginning of words, so typing "oo" will never find "foo". Better apps exist but they all come with a subscription of some kind. I am clearly not the target audience for the iPad. Being restricted to apps and what they allow you to do while asking for money at every corner is not my cup of tea. | |
| ▲ | bwv848 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's a lot of money for a small amount of use cases, get a $70 Wacom. | | |
| ▲ | dmonitor 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You'll look like a mega nerd if you pull that out in a classroom, assuming you even have the desk space. Not to mention the qol improvement of having your pen touch the screen you're drawing on. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A mega nerd for pulling out a 7 by 6 inch touchpad with a pen next to your laptop? They're not talking about a full fat Wacom tablet, and besides, it's really not that hard to write on a screen vs a tablet, in some cases even better because your hands don't cover parts of it up (I have both an iPad with a pencil and a Wacom). Plus on macOS you can easily use note taking apps with the Wacom touchpad that then digitize the text to make it searchable. | | |
| ▲ | levl289 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does the Wacom show the actual result of the writing, or do you need to look at the screen? This feels like a bad solution to needing an electronic notepad. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a touchpad, of course the result shows up on the laptop screen, and the user doesn't even look at the touchpad anymore, just as digital artists don't now. Honestly not sure why commenters here are acting like it's some huge deal to use a touchpad for note taking and that one has to get an iPad when there really is no need. | | |
| ▲ | mjlee 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wacom have been selling "pen displays" for years, at least since ~2013. You can buy a brand new one for $300. |
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| ▲ | happyopossum 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | the difference between writing on a screen and writing on an external tablet is hard to overstate... | | |
| ▲ | bwv848 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A Huion Kamvas then, still way cheaper than an iPad. | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not really, it works just fine and you don't obscure the screen with your hand. | |
| ▲ | johanvts 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not really, sure it is easier to find your cursor but that is not very hard using an external tablet, and you get much better ergonomics plus you can see what is under your hand. |
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| ▲ | andriy_koval 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | also, they still sell paper notebooks ) If digital version is important, there are probably some scanning apps. |
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| ▲ | ashton314 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Grad student here. The paper-reading experience on an iPad is vastly superior to a laptop, and I've got an aging iPad Gen 8 that doesn't have enough storage to upgrade. I run the Zotero iOS app and it's absolutely perfect for annotating papers and keeping my bibliography organized. In undergrad my iPad was far and away my favorite note-taking device. Digital pen-and-"paper" beats laptop for 99% of note taking. |
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| ▲ | sodality2 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| iPads are pretty common in education for the drawing capabilities. You can take notes by typing for most things, but when you get diagram/math heavy, you just cannot beat the pencil. I think it's probably pretty poor value of the small ability you gain to cost, relative to other things you could do (I like paper/pencil personally) but I see the use case, if limited. |
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| ▲ | jazzyjackson 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have iPads really replaced paper in college? I haven’t been on campus in a decade so I wouldn’t know | | |
| ▲ | mkl 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not iPads specifically, but digital devices. I did a show of hands poll in a big university course a couple of weeks ago, and 70-80% of students are writing their maths notes on a digital device. iPad is most popular, but Surface and other Windows devices are also popular, quite a few use Android (as do I for my lectures), and a tiny number use ReMarkable or other e-paper. Many students bring both a tablet and laptop to class, and I see handwritten notes viewed on non-handwriting laptops pretty often while they're writing other things on a tablet. | |
| ▲ | sprinkly-dust 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A lot of lower division math and computer science courses now presuppose iPads or other digital pen devices for working through handouts during lecture. Printed handouts are often available at request, but not the expectation / default. On the other hand, I've seen more professors — especially in the humanities, but also upper div CS — start banning devices in lecture partially or altogether. Complete distraction (scrolling Instagram, etc.) during lecture is extremely prevalent, and they keep citing noticeable improvements in engagement after banning devices. This also coincides with a shift back to less take-home assignments and more exam-style assessment since they want greater assurance people aren't completely offloading their cognition to LLMs. | |
| ▲ | vikramkr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I haven't been on campus in a few years but even then paper was basically absent on campus. A class where a professor wouldn't allow tablets or laptops to take notes would be an aberration and a PITA. I remember I had to write like a paper check once and I had to physically go buy a pen since neither I nor anyone around me had a regular writing utensil on hand. The exception was when people were taking orgo or a diagram heavy class. For that semester not everyone would have a tablet and some people would have pens and pencils. Or writing classes that still required a handwritten essay for the final exam | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not necessarily replaced. Some classes still ban all electronic devices unless you have some medical accommodation, this was in response to people not listening while being on their phones, tablets, and laptops. | |
| ▲ | vimbtw 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, iPads (at least at my university) are incredibly common. I would guess they’re at least on-par with paper. So many people swear by Goodnotes because you get all the benefits of handwriting your notes without giving up the niceties of search-ability, auto correct, etc. I don’t know anyone who uses any other tablet besides an iPad, they’ve basically conquered the market. |
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| ▲ | palata 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Many students nowadays may say "why would you need anything other than an iPad?" :-) |
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| ▲ | awkwardpotato 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Why would you want an iPad? At this point, there are more people taking notes on an iPad + Apple Pencil than on physical notebooks in my lectures |
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| ▲ | levl289 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The pen. 95% of the way our son does assignments now. He’s off to university in Fall ‘26, and I’m waffling between getting him an Air and keeping his current iPad, or getting a neo and new iPad. Probably go the former because of the long term cost effectiveness of the Air. |
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| ▲ | crazygringo 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The iPad is vastly better for reading and highlighting (with Pencil) class materials. Reading whole books on a laptop tends to produce a ton of neck strain. |
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| ▲ | pier25 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | An eink display is vastly better for reading though. I only use the iPad for reading PDFs because Kindles are too small for that. | | |
| ▲ | sprinkly-dust 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Agreed, I really prefer using my reMarkable 2. I see it less like an iPad and more like a bottomless pit of scratch paper and printouts that I can carry more conveniently than individual dead tree products. This is probably furthered by my not using their cloud subscription and using a USB cable or SSH to transfer files instead. | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's better for reading epubs/mobis. iPads are better when you need to be constantly highlighting and making notes, like for school. And for PDF's you need to be panning and zooming. | |
| ▲ | pantulis 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's why I'm rocking a Scribe. Do not really care much about note taking but my poor eyesight welcomes the bigger font size. |
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| ▲ | asdff 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why would reading on a laptop produce neck strain? Just sit comfortably. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The way people use laptops, the screens are generally much lower than they should be for good ergonomics. iPads/Kindles are better because they're smaller and lighter so you can position them with far greater flexibility. | | |
| ▲ | asdff 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | People still hold the ipad at the exact same height against their lap. You mean to tell me they hold it like arm outstretched in front of them? So easy to position my laptop. Edge of couch with screen tilted up, done. On lap of course, done. On table, done. Resting on my back, with the laptop on my chest, done. These things weigh only like 2lbs now. It isn't like 2010 when the ipad came out and the macbook was a good 5-6 awkward lbs and smoking hot. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know what to tell you. I change positions and move my iPad around a lot in ways that I can't do with my Macbook. Whether holding it up while in a recliner or airplane seat, resting it on my belly while in bed or on a couch... also it's in portrait mode which makes a huge difference too, so the top of the screen is higher. It's smaller, it's lighter, it's by definition just way more flexible to use ergonomically. You can position it in lots of ways you can't position a larger 13" horizontal laptop. |
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| ▲ | pier25 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The laptop is better in many situations as the screen stands on its own. When reading in bed I use a stand to hold my Kindle at the best position. I would need a much heavier stand to be able to do that with my iPad. |
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| ▲ | g947o 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The Neo can run iPad apps In theory yes, but in reality barely any developer (at least the mainstream ones) make their app available on MacOS, and nobody enjoys interacting with a touch-screen optimized app with mouse/trackpad |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's an odd choice (for said developers), given in most cases it's a matter of checking a box. The second half of your comment is a generalization though. | | |
| ▲ | in_cahoots 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We got my son a Mac Mini when he was 6. I was surprised at how many kid games just didn't work with the Mac, or how many did work but didn't support an external microphone and camera. I guess since most young kids have iPads or Chromebooks there's no market. | |
| ▲ | NotPractical 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It makes it easier to pirate your app if you enable that checkbox. macOS attempts to disable iOS apps when SIP is disabled to prevent this but it's not difficult to bypass [1]. I don't necessarily agree with it but this probably does factor into their decision process. [1] https://github.com/paradiseduo/appdecrypt | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | That couldn’t be the reason. 90% of App Store revenue comes from in app purchases of consumables from games. This came out in the Epic trial. The rest of the most use apps are front end for services where the app is free. There are very very few one time app purchases on iOS where pirating would make sense | | |
| ▲ | NotPractical 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Piracy is not the only risk when someone grabs your app binary, but also cracked versions with ads removed, or subscription checks disabled. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | They can already grab your binary by using third party tools or by using the Apple Configurator from what I’m seeing. TIL: iPhone backups on computers stopped including full ipa’s back in 2017… | | |
| ▲ | NotPractical 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're encrypted using FairPlay, so you need either a jailbroken iPhone or a "jailbroken" (SIP bypass while SIP is enabled) Mac to decrypt them. The former will stop being possible soon enough, the latter will likely remain possible for quite some time. |
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| ▲ | wpsimon3 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I used to use both...laptop for quick typing, and then the iPad for hand-written notes or annotation. The OneNote app sync is quick enough that I could type lecture notes on the laptop, and then quickly switch to the same document on my iPad to sketch out a diagram. It was overkill for sure, but very useful |
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| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean at this point with the latest ones, an iPad Pro with it's keyboard/trackpad accessory and a pencil could probably manage both for you pretty damn well. I just wish they'd let us run MacOS on iPads. | | |
| ▲ | wpsimon3 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's fair...actually totally slipped my mind that today this would be much more feasible to do on a single device. |
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| ▲ | drstewart 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Why would you want an iPad? Talk to Gen Z some time. They prefer tablet devices to laptops. |
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| ▲ | general_reveal 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I have spent most of my life in a lazy couch posture and a laptop and keyboard doesn’t fit that lifestyle choice. I need to make more apps for people with my lifestyle choice, like IPad IDEs for development. iPad + voice, this seems like my new lifestyle choice and it looks like it’s going to work out too. I think human beings need to move away from sitting at the typewriter like it’s 1930. We’re more than this. |
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| ▲ | asdff 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Laptop is way nicer for lazy couch work. I can sit there with it on my lap with my arms crossed and I don’t have to waste a hand just holding the damn thing up the entire time I use it. It is the ipad that is actually the nonlazy choice. | |
| ▲ | Terretta 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I need to make more apps for people with my lifestyle choice, like IPad IDEs for development. blink code to codeserver https://docs.blink.sh/advanced/code | | |
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